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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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i know that it's in one of the m.j. threads, but i can't find it so i'm starting a seperate thread...
the cd essential states 1983 - WANNA BE STARTIN' SOMETHIN' (S) (4:16) Epic/Legacy 94287 The Essential (edit of the LP version in an unsuccesful attempt at recreating the 45 version) what and where exactly, is this version diffrent than the vinyl 45?....i've listened to them several times, with headphones, side by side, and can't locate the differences.....my ears must be failing me... |
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mstgator ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 September 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The most obvious difference to me is around 3:47. At the part where Michael sings "Sing it to the world...", the version on the 45 is a clean edit, while the version on Essential has a sloppy fade-in on the word "Sing". (This is from the iTunes download, so it's possible the physical CD of Essential differs.) |
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Roscoe ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Here's a quote from Brian W. from an old thread on the Essential CD that explains the difference:
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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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And you can hear the bad edit point on the version on "Essential" right at "Billie Jean is always talkin'" -- there's the tail end of an instrument... sounds like monkey going, "Ooh ooh ooh"... that is present on the instrumental break at that point on the LP. But that little remnant of it is totally gone in the 45 version.
at what point, time wise, is this poor edit?? |
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5 |
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At 1:11, right on the word "Billie." You don't hear that little "whoop" in the one channel? Not there on the true 45 version, which is on all the "King of Pop" compilations. It's not that it's necessarily a poor edit -- it's the the 45 is a remix, and there's no way to edit out that overlapping horn using the album version. I just noticed another bad edit at 3:47. The "sing" on "Sing it to the world" is clipped. It's not like that on the 45. Also, listen to the electronic drum "crash" at 3:43, 3:48, etc: "Mama say mama sa ma ma cu sa [crash]." On the 45 version, there's lots of echo on that drum crash. There's almost none on the "Essential" version. Scary to think that we, amateurs, did a better job of editing this down than whatever professional responsible for the re-edit did. Edited by Brian W. |
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chendagam ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 August 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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I still do not understand why Sony didn't just use the original single masters.
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Nick2341 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 December 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Laziness. Easier to rip a track from a CD and have some intern edit it down. |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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It could have been any number of reasons. Tapes may be mis-filed, cryptically labeled or missing. Maybe no one realized that the single was mixed differently as well as edited...we're talking a 25+ year old song here. Keep in mind that "Thriller" sold many, many more times as many copies as the single...many would consider the album verison the "definitive" one. How many people would even notice...I for one didn't know the single & album versions were different until I read it here. |
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chendagam ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 August 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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I always knew that "wanna be" was shorter on the 45. I was only 10 when it was released and begged my mom to buy it for me. She said "you already have the album" but I had to convince her it was different by showing her the run times. I never noticed it was a different mix until the discussion started here.
I understand that things can go missing but seems like the top selling album of all time would have a better filing system. All the remixes and edits should be together. Where again can you find the official 45 version on CD of "wanna be"?? |
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Nick2341 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 December 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The King Of Pop compilations. It's on all of them.
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