Peter Brown-"Dance With Me"

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   My commercial 45 has a listed time of (3:45), but an actual time of (3:41). Unfortunately, all current database CDs for this song that state "45 version" have run times ranging between (3:46) and (3:48).

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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Peter Brown-"Dance With Me" Posted: 28 April 2008 at 9:51am
	My commercial 45 has a listed time of (3:45), but an actual time of (3:41). Unfortunately, all current database CDs for this song that state "45 version" have run times ranging between (3:46) and (3:48).

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:16am
	As irritating as it can be when CD run times don't match the length of their vinyl 45 and LP counterparts, I think pretty much every die-hard 45-version-on-CD collector would have to agree it's far preferable to have the song run a bit longer on CD where it can be custom faded to match the 45 than to have the song faded out on CD too soon and thus missing the closing seconds of 45 audio altogether!

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 24	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:27am
	The song ends cold; is it a pitch difference? Andy

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 April 2008 at 11:52am
	Ah, good question, Andy. I forgot about the cold ending.

abagon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 01 March 2008 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote abagon Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 April 2008 at 6:57am
	I compared the 45 (Drive 6269) with the CD (Rhino 72130 Soul Hits Of The 70's Vol. 20). As a result, there is a pitch difference.I used my software(STEINBURG "Clean3.0") and the CD's music file approximately corresponded to the 45's music file when the pitch level was upped at +12.

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 April 2008 at 8:50am
	Abagon, I don't have the software you do, so I usually can't get to the bottom of my own questions. To me, the info you just provided here is worth its weight in gold. Many thanks for your excellent analysis!

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 69	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 April 2008 at 12:14pm
	Pitched my copy up +3% and the resulting file runs 3:41.

abagon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 01 March 2008 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote abagon Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 April 2008 at 12:30am
	Thank you for your response, Jim. About my above post: (STEINBURG "Clean3.0") is incorrect. (STEINBERG "Clean3.0") is correct!. sorry,abagon

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 58	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 April 2008 at 7:27am
	With regard to the pitch/tempo differences: I have the 45 version on Rhino's The Disco Years Vol. 1 (1990), where it runs 109.0 BPM. There are digital clones of this mastering on Rhino's cheapie Disco Hits Vol. 2, and on Time-Life's Seventies Dance Party 1978-1979 (which has a different EQ than the other two) - both are also 109.0 BPM. I have the LP version on Priority's Mega Hits Dance Classics Vol. 6, where it runs 111.8 BPM. That's a difference of 2.5%. I don't have the 45 handy (it's at home in a very large, unsorted box), but I tend to think that the Rhino CD has the proper pitch/tempo. This wouldn't be the first time that a Disco Years track is much slower than a Mega Hits Dance Classics track - "Disco Nights (Rock-Freak)" by GQ is 126.5 BPM on MHDC, but 123.2 BPM on DY and its Time-Life digital clones. Edited by crapfromthepast

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 March 2009 at 8:46am
	Pat: Just wanted to bring this thread back up because the database was never updated with Jim's commercial 45 run time info for Peter Brown's "Dance with Me" (The actual run time is 3:41, not 3:45 as stated on the record label). Also, it appears all CDs with a "45 version" comment should be amended to read "45 version but slower".