Pointer Sisters - "Dare Me"

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   I'm highly suspicious that the "Hot New Remix" might be the LP version and could have been a record company gimmick to conjure up some airplay.  I just compared this promo 45 version to the copy on my TM Century GoldDisc, and they are the same.  The reason I suspect it's the LP version is because this particular GoldDisc is one of the really old ones, and all the rest of the tracks are LP versions dubbed from other CDs.  Their copy clearly isn't from vinyl, so either they obtained a tape source for this "remix" (unlikely) or they just faded the LP early (more likely).

Does anyone have the actual LP version that they can send to me for comparison purposes?

By the way, some CDs in the database still read "short dj 45 version" when it should just read "45 version."

Edited by aaronk

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aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 124	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 2008 at 1:04am
	I'm highly suspicious that the "Hot New Remix" might be the LP version and could have been a record company gimmick to conjure up some airplay. I just compared this promo 45 version to the copy on my TM Century GoldDisc, and they are the same. The reason I suspect it's the LP version is because this particular GoldDisc is one of the really old ones, and all the rest of the tracks are LP versions dubbed from other CDs. Their copy clearly isn't from vinyl, so either they obtained a tape source for this "remix" (unlikely) or they just faded the LP early (more likely). Does anyone have the actual LP version that they can send to me for comparison purposes? By the way, some CDs in the database still read "short dj 45 version" when it should just read "45 version." Edited by aaronk

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 124	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 2008 at 10:33pm
	Thanks to my friend, BudB, I just compared the LP version on Nipper's Greatest Hits: The 80s with the "Hot New Remix" on the promo 45. My suspicions are mostly correct. This isn't actually a "remix." It's just a very slightly altered LP version. The technical specs The promo 45 "remix" and the LP version match exactly up the (3:28) mark. At that point, (0:08) was removed from the LP version in comparison to the "remix." Also, the two versions differ for about (0:06) just before the fade out, where there is some different ad libbing. For the editors, this version CAN be created by using what's available on CD; you'll just have to use the 12" version from (3:47) to the end. Using the LP version to start, remove the section from (3:28.5) to (3:37.3), which is on the downbeat. At (3:47), switch sources to the 12" version where the vocals are exactly the same (roughly at 5:08). Using about 25 seconds of the 12" version for the ending, create the fade from (3:58) to (4:12). As a side note, the 12" version is the same mix as the LP version; it's just longer and has a different intro. At the place where the different ad libbing occurs between the promo 45 and LP version, you can hear the tape splices on the LP version where they edited in an earlier section of the 12" version for (0:06).

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 50	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2008 at 7:16am
	Here's another question, and my mind is fuzzy on what the Top 40 station I worked at in 1985 did, but did stations stay with the original 3:41 version, or switch to the s0-called "hot new remix" ??

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 2008 at 7:13pm
	Thanks for your extensive detective work on this, Aaron! Fortunately, the 45 version is easy to find on CD. I was living near Dayton, Ohio, at the time "Dare Me" was a hit. I'm pretty sure the local Adult Contemporary stations played the 3:41 version. I believe Z-93, our Top 40 station, briefly played the so-called "remix", though admittedly my memory is hazy with this. Edited by Todd Ireland

NightAire Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 20 February 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote NightAire Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 April 2023 at 12:52am
	I remember at least one of the two local top 40s in Tulsa for sure playing the "remix" (KELI-AM/FM) but I can't speak for KAYI-FM. The commercial 45 mix immediately sounded wrong: instruments in the wrong place, different spreads, different levels. It wasn't until I switched to the LP version that I thought, "aha! THAT'S how I remember it sounding on the radio."
	Gene Savage http://www.BlackLightRadio.com http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage Tulsa, Oklahoma USA