Heart - Magic Man (DJ edit)
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Topic: Heart - Magic Man (DJ edit)
Posted By: eriejwg
Subject: Heart - Magic Man (DJ edit)
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 9:49pm
| Just heard the 2:52 DJ edit for "Magic Man." From what I can gather, it's just an early fade of the 5:27 album track. Fade time is from 2:41-2:52. |
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Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 07 January 2009 at 6:41am
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There are any number of Heart songs where the promo edit was just an early fade of the commercial single. Others include "Crazy On You", "Barracuda" & "Straight On".
"Heartless" was an edit". |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 07 January 2009 at 9:44am
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But "Crazy On You" is a slightly different case, in that the stock 45 was an edit of the LP version (much of the opening is stripped off--and used on the 45 version of "Dreamboat Annie"). At least on "Barracuda" and "Straight On" the 45 and LP were the same. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 07 January 2009 at 10:48am
| "Dreamboat Annie" was released twice, first as the B side of "Crazy On You", and was the same as the album version. It was re-issued as their 3rd single, this time with the additional guitar riff at the beginning. Not often where the single version is longer than the album. I'm guessing they did this to stretch it since it is a rather short song. |
Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 07 January 2009 at 1:04pm
Actually, I documented in another thread that the mono version of "Barracuda," although faded earlier, has a couple overdubs that are not present on the stereo version. The mix is also unique and not just a fold down. |
Hykker wrote:Posted By: RichM921
Date Posted: 07 January 2009 at 5:35pm
But the single version is an actual edit, right? Some years ago, I received an MP3 of "Magic Man" which was labeled as "45 version" and it contained several edits. But I have noticed on the "American Top 40" replays on XM, whenever this song comes up, it's always the early fade, so I guess Casey played the DJ edit. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 09 January 2009 at 1:04pm
Looking at Pat's database, seemingly the stock 45 and the LP version are the same (and the promo 45 is the fade). ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 24 June 2013 at 7:21pm
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The database currently shows DJ and commercial 45 info for Heart's "Magic Man" as follows:
(dj copies of this 45 ran (2:45) and (5:35); commercial copies were all (5:35); actual time is (5:27) not (5:35) as the dj and commercial record labels stated) If I may make a suggestion, this could probably be more clearly re-stated as something like: (dj copies of this 45 ran (2:45) and (5:27), not (5:35) as stated on the record label; commercial copies were all (5:27), not (5:35) as stated on the record label. |
Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 18 June 2017 at 6:25pm
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i believe the dj edit actually runs 2:52 NOT 2:45....per
john's file...the db needs to be updated... ------------- edtop40 |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 18 June 2017 at 9:18pm
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I recreated that file so long ago that I don't remember
the source. I think it was a vinyl dub. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 19 June 2017 at 7:34am
The guitar part called "Silver Wheels" is actually part of the song "Dreamboat Annie". It was never supposed to be part of "Crazy On You". If you take the actual single "Dreamboat Annie", you will see that they just added the main part of the song to it. Since it was cleverly attached to "Crazy On You" for the 1980 Greatest hits album, everyone thinks it's supposed to be part of "Crazy On You"now. ------------- |
Posted By: AndrewChouffi
Date Posted: 19 June 2017 at 5:38pm
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To "The Hits Man":
I just checked my US Mushroom vinyl LP, and of course you're right, the timing of that acoustic guitar interlude is attributed to "Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)" on the label (not "Crazy On You"). However, "Silver Wheels" is a different acoustic guitar interlude on their 'Bebe le Strange' album. Andy |
Posted By: Yah Shure
Date Posted: 19 June 2017 at 6:07pm
| My copy of the "Magic Man" "mono AM play" side runs an actual 2:53. Listed label time is 2:45. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 19 June 2017 at 7:22pm
I don't agree. While Andy's right in that the guitar interlude on the LP is attributed to the preceding "Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)" track, you can't graft just the acoustic guitar outro to the shorter "Dreamboat Annie" track and create the "Dreamboat Annie" single (there are waves underneath at the end and the very end of the guitar is just ever-so-slightly different). It is my contention that the acoustic guitar part at the end of "Fantasy Child" is in fact part of the LP version of "Crazy On You" (even if the label doesn't say so) and was edited out for the stock single and promo edits, and it's why every "LP version" of "Crazy On You" has that acoustic intro. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 20 June 2017 at 7:21am
read it, but that guitar was never part of "Crazy On You". ------------- |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 20 June 2017 at 3:29pm
http://www.guitarworld.com/acoustic-nation-nancy-wilson-recalls-making-heart-s-crazy-you - Nancy Wilson disagrees with your assertion, Grant.
The state rests, Your Honor. :) ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 20 June 2017 at 3:46pm
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Over in another courtroom, Pat has updated the run time
in the database for the DJ edit of Magic Man. |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 20 June 2017 at 3:56pm
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<Like.> ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: The Hits Man
Date Posted: 22 June 2017 at 2:50pm
Nope! I'm sure she meant that she didn't want to comp the guitar piece. ------------- |
Posted By: sriv94
Date Posted: 23 June 2017 at 5:28am
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No, she didn't, Grant.
Further proof--here's a "Midnight Special" performance of the song from 3/4/77--well before that Greatest Hits LP came out. Check out what opens the song. https://youtu.be/V44HiAX91Hs You can be as sure as you want about this, but you'll be wrong every time. ------------- Doug --------------- All of the good signatures have been taken. |
Posted By: VWestlife
Date Posted: 22 November 2020 at 10:46am
| I've come across a 2:37 radio edit of "Magic Man" that is not just an early fade; instead it cuts out approx. 2:26.2 - 5:16.7 from the album version, leaving the cold ending. I like it better than the early fade version. |
Posted By: Hykker
Date Posted: 23 November 2020 at 7:32am
Is this an actual record or just a file? Could have been someone's house edit. I agree, they could have done better than just an early fade. |
Posted By: VWestlife
Date Posted: 23 November 2020 at 9:22pm
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It was probably either an in-house or TM Century edit.
Wikipedia's article for "Magic Man" lists a 3:29 "single edit" and says "The album version of 'Magic Man' features an over-two-minute instrumental break which consists of a guitar solo and usage of a Minimoog synthesizer, while the single version of the song edits out most of this break, cutting it down from 5:28 to 3:29." But I can't find any proof of this 3:29 version existing. Another custom radio edit? |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 26 November 2020 at 4:49pm
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Have never seen a 3:29 edit on any collector sites, so
has to be in house. WLS did a in house edit of "Magic Man" that runs 3:57. Nice job with edit. Here it is recreated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UwQfAZYzSg |
Posted By: davidclark
Date Posted: 28 November 2020 at 6:26pm
Although Wikipedia is a wonderful resource for information - I use it all the time - when it comes to more specific facts about things such as our hobby, it is sometimes in error. It is written by people, some of those not-too-well informed. I had actually updated the entry for KC & The Sunshine Band - Get Down Tonight to include info about the 45. Someone removed it, because I could not cite a source "publication". I told him about this website, and our collective/expert knowledge, etc., but he said it was not acceptable. I am no longer updating wikipedia... ------------- dc1 |
Posted By: garye
Date Posted: 01 December 2020 at 10:15am
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Dave, sometimes Wikipedia thrives on false info and the
arrogance is hand in hand with their attitude. They do not like correction, no matter what their goals say they are! |
Posted By: KentT
Date Posted: 10 December 2020 at 9:21am
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There's two edits of "Magic Man" which Mushroom Records
serviced to radio on the promo 45. one is marked AM Play, (2:45 on label), and is mono. The other side is FM Play, is (5:35 on label) Catalog number is M-7011-DJ. ------------- I turn up the good and turn down the bad! |