Poison - I Won’t forget You
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Topic: Poison - I Won’t forget You
Posted By: Pat Downey
Subject: Poison - I Won’t forget You
Date Posted: 10 April 2006 at 8:52pm
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Just received the new "Best Of Poison" cd and on the cd jacket, the track "I Won't Forget You" is listed as the 45 version. When comparing this version to the LP version found on "Look What The Cat Dragged In" I cannot detect any difference. Does anyone have a better handle on the 45 vs LP distinction?
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 10 April 2006 at 9:10pm
does the liner notes say who the remix credits go to....the 45 is a distinctive different mix than the cd/lp the song was issued on.....are you saying you can't hear a difference between the new cd's version of the song and the 45 or you can't hear the difference between the original cd/lp version and the 45???
i'll have to go pick this new cd tomorrow and check the accuracy of the "single mix" description in allmusic.com
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edtop40
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 10 April 2006 at 10:31pm
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I am saying I can't hear the difference between the original LP/cd and the 45. Yes I do hear some difference in EQ but I assume that is due to the mastering that was used for cd's 20 years ago versus today's mastering.
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 5:56pm
i just listened to the version from the new best of cd and to my ears it doesn't sound the same..........to points of reference.....the intro guitar lick has a noticibly different sound.....the guitar sounds buzzier on the 45 and flat on the cd..........also at the 1:35 mark there is a guitar buzz which i cannot hear on the new cd version...........anyone else have any observations....
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edtop40
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 6:58pm
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The notes that I wrote and slipped inside the 45 of "I Won't Forget You" indicate the vinyl 45 brings out background vocals that are barely audible on the LP "Look What The Cat Dragged In". Listen at 1:36 - 1:37 on the vinyl 45 and also 2:00-2:02. These background vocals are not brought out in the new "Best Of Poison" cd.
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Posted By: aaronk
Date Posted: 11 April 2006 at 10:43pm
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I listened to the mp3s that were passed along, and I'll agree that there is a difference between the 45 & LP versions. I don't hear any difference in background vocals, though. The only differences I can hear are the guitar parts that Ed points out. For example, there's a guitar lick right around 1:37 that's much louder on the 45 (right before the line "although miles come between us"). Also on the "miles come between us" part, there's a difference in the guitar in the background. The LP version has an electric guitar at this part, while the 45 is using some other kind of guitar.
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Posted By: Pat Downey
Date Posted: 12 April 2006 at 8:39pm
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OK I have listened again to the 45, the cd "Look What The Cat Dragged In" and the cd "Best Of". What I hear on both of the cd's is a guitar introduction that sounds like there are 2 guitars playing, while on the 45 I hear only 1 guitar playing.
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Posted By: Bill Cahill
Date Posted: 23 April 2006 at 12:04pm
Pat thanks for the MP3s. It's clear that the 45 is a unique mix. The 1:37 guitar punch that is up front on the 45 is the dead giveaway. Aaron you are on the money on that. The 45 also ran slower on the MP3 I had.
As far as any difference between the Cat Dragged and Best Of, that's a tough one. "Best Of" could be a slight remix, or a mix similar to the LP version that was mislabled, or maybe the group had an earlier version of a 45 on Enigma and not Capitol?
Or, it could simply be that Capitol for "Best Of" used a stereo expander and compressed it. I don't hear any significant difference between the Cat Dragged and Best of Version except in EQ, compression and possibly reverb. The reverb could have been brought up by stereo expansion and compression. Or, like I said, it's a mix very close to the LP version that was mislabeled.
- Bill
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 04 January 2007 at 4:50pm
can anyone confirm the the remasterd cd "look what the cat dragged in" truely has the 45 mix on it??...because the mix differences are very subtle....
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edtop40
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Posted By: edtop40
Date Posted: 28 January 2007 at 6:25pm
i just bought the remastered cd "look what the cat dragged in" and it indeed does contain the remix 45 version of "i won't forget you" as track number 12.....we can finaly put this one to bed......
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edtop40
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Posted By: abagon
Date Posted: 06 January 2009 at 7:17am
Now the CD comments of this song have the "45 mix" or the "LP mix" on the database. This U.S. commercial 45 version has some differences from the LP version. I could easily understand that only the 45 version has the first drum sound at (0:02.6)! The first drum sound on the LP version is at (0:03.2). However, my stock LP is a Japanese product. Could anyone compare the 45 with the U.S. LP? If the Japan LP is the same as the U.S. LP. Those comments should be changed to the "45 version" or "LP version".
--abagon
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 7:11am
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Abagon was kind to send me an mp3 of the first :10 of the "I Won't Forget You" 45 and LP intro so that I could compare and contrast them more closely. There are clearly mix differences... The guitars are louder and buzzier on the 45, while the drums are more punchy and up front on the LP. But I also agree with Abagon that the first drum hit does indeed come in about a half second sooner on the 45 than on the LP. A direct A/B comparison verifies this when the two intros are synchronized. Therefore, I too am of the opinion that database comments for CDs containing "I Won't Forget You" should be revised to state "45 version" or "LP version".
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 11:20am
This is that gray area where what crosses the '45 mix' line and what crosses the '45 version' line. This, in my opinion, sounds like the guitars are mixed hotter on the 45, thereby getting a '45 mix' next to the lone database entry. If there were an edit involved along with a mix, then I would say it would be a '45 version'.
Although, for the benefit of my younger clients, I label everything 'single version' or 'single mix' in my business database, I labeled this song 'single mix' in my database.
Many of my brides have no recollection what a 45 is. They have to ask their parents!
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Posted By: Todd Ireland
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 4:23pm
John:
If this were strictly an issue of some instruments being mixed hotter than others, then I would agree about this being a "mix" issue. But what Abagon and I are saying is that the drums begin at a different spot on the 45 and LP, thus making them slightly different recordings. I submit that this crosses the line from "mix" to "version".
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Posted By: eriejwg
Date Posted: 13 January 2009 at 7:56pm
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In that case, Todd, agreed.
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