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    Posted: 27 August 2013 at 11:13pm
Over on the BSN board there is mention of the new Carry On box containing
the single mix of this track? Anyone heard it and can comment? Database
does not indicate any info for existing entries.
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I was never able to determine any real difference between the stereo LP/DJ single stereo side, and the mono single. Soundeds to me like the stock single is simply a fold down, or was run through a CSG processor using the the mono output.

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Bill,
When i saw David's post i was curious about this one,
since most of the CSN singles sound about the same to me
in stereo or mono..but i never compared this one before.
   
I had an mp3 45 dub tucked away, so last night i compared
them, with the stereo mix folded to mono.
I did indeed hear some mixing differences..minor things
here and there, but enough to show they are aren't
exactly the same.

A few things i noticed are:
-The percussion/bongos are turned up a little louder in
the mono mix, with the acoustic guitars a little lower -
this is reversed in the stereo.

-His lead vocal has slightly more reverb in the mono mix,
and is mixed a bit louder.

-Near the end, when he sings little ad-libs, his vocal is
right up front in the mono, and his last bit right before
the "doo-doo-doot" ending, is a loud and clear "Alllll-
right" ... but in the stereo mix his vocal is lower, and
they turned down his final ad-lid in the stereo so you
don't here him finish that part, you just hear "All...."
then nothing more.
I haven't synchronized them, so there could other little
things but those things were enough for me to deem it a
dedicated mono mix.
Hope that helps!
MM




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Originally posted by MMathews MMathews wrote:

Bill,
When i saw David's post i was curious about this one,
since most of the CSN singles sound about the same to me
in stereo or mono..but i never compared this one before.
   
I had an mp3 45 dub tucked away, so last night i compared
them, with the stereo mix folded to mono.
I did indeed hear some mixing differences..minor things
here and there, but enough to show they are aren't
exactly the same.

A few things i noticed are:
-The percussion/bongos are turned up a little louder in
the mono mix, with the acoustic guitars a little lower -
this is reversed in the stereo.

-His lead vocal has slightly more reverb in the mono mix,
and is mixed a bit louder.

-Near the end, when he sings little ad-libs, his vocal is
right up front in the mono, and his last bit right before
the "doo-doo-doot" ending, is a loud and clear "Alllll-
right" ... but in the stereo mix his vocal is lower, and
they turned down his final ad-lid in the stereo so you
don't here him finish that part, you just hear "All...."
then nothing more.
I haven't synchronized them, so there could other little
things but those things were enough for me to deem it a
dedicated mono mix.
Hope that helps!
MM




I never had a 45 of this song, but based on the 45
version found on the "Carry On" box set, there are indeed
subtle differences between the 45 and LP if you listen
closely. The reverb was the most noticeable difference
to me, particularly on the verse after the first chorus.
I think that's probably enough to qualify this one for a
45 version/LP version distinction.
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I noted the difference in reverb but I don't hear anything in one that's not in the other, the "version" designation usually goes to something that's more significantly different, but I'll let others judge whether or not it should be noted.
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Just to correct a minor error in my above comparison, the
words at the ending are not "all-right" as i noted, but
are "Aw, YEAH" - it the word "yeah" that is clear on the
45 but in the LP version it is missing.

I synchronized the 45 with the LP today, and other small
differences popped out, such as at about 1:30 when they
repeat the title, the organ is potted up in the LP, but
is missing from that spot in the 45.

Hey and guess what? Today i compared the alternate mix
released on the album "Replay". It is stereo, but if you
fold it to mono, it is in fact identical to the 45 mix..
every element, right down to the reverb in the vocal.
Go figga.

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Then I may have to take back my comments as I have always compared the stereo and mono versions to the stereo mix on the DJ side.

I wonder now if the DJ stereo mix does not match the original stereo LP mix.
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You may be on to something there, Bill.
I'd find it an extraordinary coincidence that they remixed
the song in 1980 for "Replay" and it happened to come out
identical to the single mix.
Sounds to me like they just pulled the stereo single
master and included it.

Bill, if you want to confirm this for the stereo side,
just listen for the word "yeah" at 2:53. If it is
audible, then it is indeed a stereo single mix.
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Thanks guys. Amazing just how many differences there are and when
pointed out (courtesy Markie) they do indeed stand out. But all these years
hearing the LP mix I guess most of us "forgot" the 45 mix.

Since this was at the time Atlantic and other companies were switching over
to stereo commercial 45s, perhaps the song was considered for stereo single
release and a mix was done (which showed up on the promo) but they opted
for mono on the commercial 45, and, it being a fold-down of the stereo
promo side.

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Confirmed, the "yeah" is clearly audible on the stereo DJ side, just like the mono.
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