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The Surfaris-"Wipe Out" |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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Going strictly from memory here, but a high school friend had the parent LP on Dot for this, and as I recall "Wipeout" (1) did not have the laugh at the beginning and (2) sounded like a different recording from the 45. Could this be the alleged 1966 re-recording? Anyone have that LP and can confirm? |
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vanmeter ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 28 December 2005 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I have the Dot LP - playing it now - and it's exactly the same as the Dot 45 with the laugh, and "Wipe Out" runs about 2:16.
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 55 |
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I'm having trouble figuring out when (and why) Decca made the rerecording.
The first Decca LP, Play, (released 1963) included the hit version. The Decca 45 (released at latest 1966) included the rerecording. Did Decca not have the rights to release the song on a 45? Edited by crapfromthepast |
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billbuster ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 23 July 2009 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Here's part of the story on this video by Bob Berryhill, a founding member of the Surfaris, who tells how (at about 19:20 in the video) the band recorded a whole album for Dot, but instead of using their tapes Dot had the LA surf band The Challengers re-record the tunes for the album. I understand this was done because Dot found out the boys in the Surfaris were underage and not members of the musicians' union.
Video by Bob Berryhill, a founding member of the Surfaris Decca and re-recording: After the Dot debacle, the Surfaris signed with Decca. But since Dot held the rights to their original "Wipe Out" recording, the band had to re-record the song for their Decca album, "The Surfaris Play." This 1963 Decca album featured the Surfaris playing their own instruments for "Wipe Out" and "Surfer Joe," along with new original material. So, the re-recording for Decca was a necessity due to the legalities surrounding the original recording and their new label situation. Edited by billbuster |
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Hykker ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 30 October 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 21 |
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I can say with absolute certainty that my friend's LP did NOT have the laugh. Maybe he had the Decca LP that Bill mentioned, or maybe there were 2 different pressings? It's been 60 years, and we've long since lost touch. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 55 |
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I figured out the Decca situation.
Decca never had the rights at all to the hit version. The YouTube video showing the hit version playing on a Decca LP clearly had its audio replaced. You can see from the record label that a different song is playing while we hear the audio to “Wipe Out”. My fault for not being more careful with the YouTube clips. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 165 |
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Ron and I were emailing about this, and it appears that what's on CD is not the original mix. I pulled my original 1963 Dot 45, and the reverb on the intro is noticeably different, as is the entire mix. This would explain why all CD versions are about 20 seconds longer than the 45. Someone went back to the original multi-track tape and made a new mix, perhaps to clean up the fidelity, as the original is a bit grungy sounding.
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AndrewChouffi ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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To Aaron & Ron:
To the best of my knowledge, "Wipe-Out" (as it was labeled on the original DFS B-side) was *recorded* in full-track mono (as opposed to being *mixed* to mono from 2, 3 or 4 tracks) as it was recorded as a throwaway B- side to "Surfer Joe" in a small studio in California. Therefore, on a technicality, there cannot be an alternate *mix* of the cut. However, the record was picked up by Princess Records, and then ultimately Dot records for national distribution and somewhere along the way reverb was added (as well as compression & EQ). The hit Dot 45 was at least 2 generations away from the master tape or possibly a modified needledrop of the original DFS or Princess 45. So while it sure *sounds* like a different mix, I don't believe there can be a different mix. Andy |
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AndrewChouffi ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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Edited to add: I'm pretty sure that Steve Hoffman found
the original tape (which had a longer fade) while he was doing tape research for that great 'Vintage Music' series. He was a California man and had his finger on the pulse of statewide studios purging their tapes. Andy |
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 165 |
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Good info, Andy. It must be the higher gen tape, the difference in reverb (which I assume was added to the entire song, even though it's most noticeably different on the intro), and compression.
Brian sent me a copy from a UK Reader's Digest CD comp, and while this CD has the correct reverb and compression, the EQ sounds nothing like what is on the Dot 45 and is pretty bad sounding. It's probably an even higher generation tape, which doesn't help. |
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