Top 40 Music on CD Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home > Top 40 Music On Compact Disc > Chat Board
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - The Surfaris-"Wipe Out"
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

The Surfaris-"Wipe Out"

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123>
Author
Message
Hykker View Drop Down
Music Fan
Music Fan


Joined: 30 October 2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hykker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2024 at 6:33am
Originally posted by aaronk aaronk wrote:

There is also a YouTube video that has the Decca 45 playing (a 1966 pressing, according to the guy who made the video), and the
recording matches my reissue 45. It does not have the famous laugh at the beginning, but instead starts with the drum solo.

Was this yet a third release for "Wipeout" in the '60s? Did it chart?


Going strictly from memory here, but a high school friend had the parent LP on Dot for this, and as I recall "Wipeout" (1) did not have the
laugh at the beginning and (2) sounded like a different recording from the 45. Could this be the alleged 1966 re-recording?
Anyone have that LP and can confirm?
Back to Top
vanmeter View Drop Down
Music Fan
Music Fan


Joined: 28 December 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 0
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote vanmeter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2024 at 9:38am
I have the Dot LP - playing it now - and it's exactly the same as the Dot 45 with the laugh, and "Wipe Out" runs about 2:16.
Back to Top
crapfromthepast View Drop Down
Music Fan
Music Fan
Avatar

Joined: 14 September 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 55
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crapfromthepast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 June 2024 at 4:31pm
I'm having trouble figuring out when (and why) Decca made the rerecording.

The first Decca LP, Play, (released 1963) included the hit version.

The Decca 45 (released at latest 1966) included the rerecording.

Did Decca not have the rights to release the song on a 45?

Edited by crapfromthepast
There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
Back to Top
billbuster View Drop Down
Music Fan
Music Fan


Joined: 23 July 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 0
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote billbuster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 June 2024 at 12:13am
Here's part of the story on this video by Bob Berryhill, a founding member of the Surfaris, who tells how (at about 19:20 in the video) the band recorded a whole album for Dot, but instead of using their tapes Dot had the LA surf band The Challengers re-record the tunes for the album. I understand this was done because Dot found out the boys in the Surfaris were underage and not members of the musicians' union.

Video by Bob Berryhill, a founding member of the Surfaris

Decca and re-recording: After the Dot debacle, the Surfaris signed with Decca. But since Dot held the rights to their original "Wipe Out" recording, the band had to re-record the song for their Decca album, "The Surfaris Play." This 1963 Decca album featured the Surfaris playing their own instruments for "Wipe Out" and "Surfer Joe," along with new original material.

So, the re-recording for Decca was a necessity due to the legalities surrounding the original recording and their new label situation.

Edited by billbuster
Back to Top
Hykker View Drop Down
Music Fan
Music Fan


Joined: 30 October 2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 21
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hykker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 June 2024 at 5:03am
Originally posted by vanmeter vanmeter wrote:

I have the Dot LP - playing it now - and it's exactly the same as the Dot 45 with the laugh, and "Wipe Out" runs about 2:16.


I can say with absolute certainty that my friend's LP did NOT have the laugh. Maybe he had the Decca LP that Bill mentioned, or maybe there
were 2 different pressings? It's been 60 years, and we've long since lost touch.
Back to Top
crapfromthepast View Drop Down
Music Fan
Music Fan
Avatar

Joined: 14 September 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 55
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote crapfromthepast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 June 2024 at 11:51am
I figured out the Decca situation.

Decca never had the rights at all to the hit version. The YouTube video showing the hit version playing on a Decca LP clearly had its audio replaced. You can see from the record label that a different song is playing while we hear the audio to “Wipe Out”.

My fault for not being more careful with the YouTube clips.

Edited by crapfromthepast
There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
Back to Top
aaronk View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group


Joined: 16 January 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 165
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2024 at 9:25pm
Ron and I were emailing about this, and it appears that what's on CD is not the original mix. I pulled my original 1963 Dot 45, and the reverb on the intro is noticeably different, as is the entire mix. This would explain why all CD versions are about 20 seconds longer than the 45. Someone went back to the original multi-track tape and made a new mix, perhaps to clean up the fidelity, as the original is a bit grungy sounding.
Back to Top
AndrewChouffi View Drop Down
Music Fan
Music Fan


Joined: 24 September 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 22
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AndrewChouffi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 July 2024 at 4:49am
To Aaron & Ron:

To the best of my knowledge, "Wipe-Out" (as it was
labeled on the original DFS B-side) was *recorded* in
full-track mono (as opposed to being *mixed* to mono from
2, 3 or 4 tracks) as it was recorded as a throwaway B-
side to "Surfer Joe" in a small studio in California.
Therefore, on a technicality, there cannot be an
alternate *mix* of the cut.

However, the record was picked up by Princess Records,
and then ultimately Dot records for national distribution
and somewhere along the way reverb was added (as well as
compression & EQ). The hit Dot 45 was at least 2
generations away from the master tape or possibly a
modified needledrop of the original DFS or Princess 45.

So while it sure *sounds* like a different mix, I don't
believe there can be a different mix.

Andy
Back to Top
AndrewChouffi View Drop Down
Music Fan
Music Fan


Joined: 24 September 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 22
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AndrewChouffi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 July 2024 at 4:54am
Edited to add: I'm pretty sure that Steve Hoffman found
the original tape (which had a longer fade) while he was
doing tape research for that great 'Vintage Music' series.
He was a California man and had his finger on the pulse of
statewide studios purging their tapes.

Andy
Back to Top
aaronk View Drop Down
Admin Group
Admin Group


Joined: 16 January 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 165
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 July 2024 at 7:21am
Good info, Andy. It must be the higher gen tape, the difference in reverb (which I assume was added to the entire song, even though it's most noticeably different on the intro), and compression.

Brian sent me a copy from a UK Reader's Digest CD comp, and while this CD has the correct reverb and compression, the EQ sounds nothing like what is on the Dot 45 and is pretty bad sounding. It's probably an even higher generation tape, which doesn't help.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <123>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.07
Copyright ©2001-2024 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.031 seconds.