Tommy Edwards-Love Is All We Need

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   to throw more at this...i should have added to my post that I use "alternate take" when the particular version appears "later", i.e., a year or more after the hit.  And, it is from the same or near session.  A prime example of this is what I've learned to be the stereo alternate take of Del Shannon - Runaway.  The stereo being done at the same session (first, reportedly), then appearing later on an LP.

[I use "remake" when the hole song is redone in the same style as the original, as is the case with Pat Boone's early hits and "re-recording" when it is a totally different style (like "The Twist" on BB Top RnR Hits 1960), possibly not even involving the entire band].

In the case of "Love Is All We Need", if we determine that the stereo LP was out at the same time and contained the version we are discussing, then as per Pat's usual labeling, it would be "stereo LP version", no?

i know i know...talk about being "meticulous"

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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2007 at 9:54am
	to throw more at this...i should have added to my post that I use "alternate take" when the particular version appears "later", i.e., a year or more after the hit. And, it is from the same or near session. A prime example of this is what I've learned to be the stereo alternate take of Del Shannon - Runaway. The stereo being done at the same session (first, reportedly), then appearing later on an LP. [I use "remake" when the hole song is redone in the same style as the original, as is the case with Pat Boone's early hits and "re-recording" when it is a totally different style (like "The Twist" on BB Top RnR Hits 1960), possibly not even involving the entire band]. In the case of "Love Is All We Need", if we determine that the stereo LP was out at the same time and contained the version we are discussing, then as per Pat's usual labeling, it would be "stereo LP version", no? i know i know...talk about being "meticulous" Edited by davidclark
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TomDiehl1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomDiehl1 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2007 at 11:45am
	Well, wouldn't Del Shannon's Runaway be "stereo LP version" then too? I think it's probably best to just call this one an alternate take....or "stereo lp version that incorporates sections of an alternate take".....this gets confusing after a while...
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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2007 at 12:39pm
	(last post on this...i promise!) I do know that the stereo "Runaway" appeared on the 1963 stereo LP "Little Town Flirt" (which has been re-issued on CD), since it was 2 years later I use "alternate take" for it, however I don't know if the 1961 stereo LP "Runaway with Del Shannon" contained the mono hit 45 "Runaway" or the stereo alternate. If the latter, then I'd tend to "stereo LP version". just my craziness in song labelling.
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Gary Mack Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 06 February 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gary Mack Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 July 2007 at 7:53pm
	The only stereo mix of Runaway is the alternate version which, since only two were recorded, was actually the first take. I don't know what happened to the session reel, but even the Big Top stereo releases of Runaway used take one. How do I know? Del Shannon was interviewed many times and mentioned that the first attempt wasn't right in several ways. The second take just nailed it, so they were done. GM

PaulEschen Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 28 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote PaulEschen Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 March 2011 at 6:29pm
	For what it's worth, iTunes has the 45 version (from an obviously vinyl source) of "Love Is All We Need". It's on a suspicious-looking CD simply called Tommy Edwards (2007, 2006 Warwick Records). All the cuts are from vinyl, and in mono. Better to have a decent vinyl copy of the 45 version than no version at all.

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 December 2011 at 3:47pm
	Bumping this one back up... Did anyone ever make a final determination as to whether the stereo "alternate take" of Tommy Edwards' "Love Is All We Need" is the same version that appeared on the stereo It's All in the Game vinyl LP in 1958? If it is, then I'd argue that "stereo LP version" or even a simple "LP version" comment (if mono LP pressings don't exist) would be more appropriate for these stereo CD appearances. (By the way, the stereo 45 of "Love Is All We Need" which has "It's All in the Game" as the B-side appears to be a later reissue and therefore probably shouldn't figure into the equation here.) Edited by Todd Ireland

TomDiehl1 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 January 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote TomDiehl1 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 December 2011 at 9:54pm
	Todd, the stereo 45 of It's All In The Game b/w Love Is All We Need was first issued on MGM SK 50104 in 1958. Unfortunately I don't own it....but in the years since this thread first started, I've really started to get into Tommy's music and have a lot of 45's by him now. My 1970's reissue of It's All In The Game b/w Love Is All We Need actually uses the original mono stampers for both sides. Since I'm not a big LP person, I don't have the It's All In The Game album, but I would pick it up if I saw it in passing (and yes, a mono pressing does exist of it, per ebay).
	Live in stereo.