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    Posted: 12 May 2007 at 10:47am
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Thought I'd bring to your attention that the Top 40 hits "She" and "Come to Me" by Tommy James and the Shondells are listed multiple times in the database. Looks like this is the result of some programming glitch.

Also, I see the overwhelming majority of CD appearances for the hits "Sweet Cherry Wine" and "Crystal Blue Persuasion" contain the comment: (neither the 45 or LP version). Does anyone know where these "neither" versions come from and why they repeatedly show up on CD?
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Bill Inglot went in and remixed the Tommy James material from the multi tracks. For Sweet Cherry Wine Bill skipped an edit near the end so we now hear part of the recording that was cut out of both the single and album. Same thing for Crystal Blue, he just skipped an edit. FYI the mysterious whispering on Crysal Blue Persuasion was simply Tommy telling the mixer to bring up some instruments.
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So for "Crystal Blue Persuasion", the common versions do not simply run longer rather there is a missing edit? Bill, can you point where it is (I don't have an original 45 to compare). thanks.
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I'll ask the same question, and add another one--did the commercial single (or even a promo) have extra percussion over the bassline transition and the sax overdubs in the last verse? I seem to recall the version I heard on radio in the early 70s had neither (I didn't start to hear the horn version until the advent of CDs being used instead of vinyl or carts).
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Sorry to bump this one up, but I am rather curious about the 45 version of "Crystal Blue Persuasion" (since none of the CDs appear to have the 45). Is the 45 gettable by making any edits on the CD versions that are commercially available (as I said above, I didn't recall the version I heard on radio in the 70s as having horn overdubs or percussion over the bass solo leading into the final verse)?
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Originally posted by sriv94 sriv94 wrote:

Sorry to bump this one up, but I am rather curious about the 45 version of "Crystal Blue Persuasion" (since none of the CDs appear to have the 45). Is the 45 gettable by making any edits on the CD versions that are commercially available (as I said above, I didn't recall the version I heard on radio in the 70s as having horn overdubs or percussion over the bass solo leading into the final verse)?


If the "neither the 45 or LP" versions are the same as the one on Very Best Of then, no, the 45 can't be recreated. The endings are different: The Very Best Of version has an additional repeat of the "crystal blue persuasion" vocal before the ending as well as the aforementioned whispering and some echoed "crystal blue persuasion" vocals in the background that don't appear on the 45.
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Having never heard the mono 45 (boy, would I like to!), I would suspect that in trying to create a stereo 45 version, they added in the missing horn and percussion overdubs found on the 45, however they left the whispering and the additional repeat of the "crystal blue persuasion" vocal at the end (the latter appearing on the LP version).

Is that it?
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There are some mixing differences that I've noticed.
The version on the old Time Life 1969 disc and the version on the Rhino Best of have different mixes.
Before the line "maybe tomorrow.." there's either a bass line or a percusson section.
Which is version is closer to the 45?

I hope I'm not being too vague on this one.
Its something that I've wondered for awhile.
Thanks for revisiting this issue!
the way it was heard on the radio
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Just ordered a NM 45 for "Crystal Blue Persuasion." Should be here within a few days, then I'll clean it up in Adobe.

David, will contact you via PM, if you'd like, when mine comes in...
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Originally posted by eriejwg eriejwg wrote:

Just ordered a NM 45 for "Crystal Blue Persuasion." Should be here within a few days, then I'll clean it up in Adobe.

David, will contact you via PM, if you'd like, when mine comes in...


Count me in too. For comparative purposes only. :)
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