Raydio-"Jack And Jill"

Jim, is your dj copy that runs (3:39) just an early fade of the LP?

There's a lot of difference's between the album version and the 45 version. One of my fave all time songs so I should know LOL. It is editable but not necessary as both version should be easily available.

gnj1958@sbcglob wrote: There's a lot of difference's between the album version and the 45 version. One of my fave all time songs so I should know LOL. It is editable but not necessary as both version should be easily available.

My original 45 and LP versions are exactly the same in every way.

gnj1958@sbcglob wrote: The short version is the same as the 45 I used to have back in the 70's. This was when I was still living in the UK. Whether the US 45 was different i.e longer, I don't know.

   
I know speculation is frowned on here, but it's possible that A)the U.K. single was edited, and/or B)there were two U.S. commercial pressings: one with the edit, and the other with the LP version, which I have.

The practice of issuing both an LP version and later, an edited version on a stock 45, was quite common in the 70s. Many times I have gotten irked by some edit appearing on a CD, only to find years later that the same edit was indeed issued on a commercial 45, even though I have a 45 with the LP length. This happened to me the other day when I discovered that the now-common short version of Cheryl Lynn's "Got To Be Real" was also issued on the commercial 45. At least now I don't get so upset anymore.

Edited by The Hits Man

The LP version (also on second pressings of the commercial 45) runs 4:33 on the great-sounding Ray Parker Jr. Greatest Hits (Arista, 1993). It runs 106.3 BPM throughout (live drummer playing to a click track). This whole disc sounds great, with low-generation source tapes, plenty of dynamic range, fine EQ, and no traces of noise reduction. There are digital clones on:

• Rhino's Didn't It Blow Your Mind Vol. 19 (1995; digitally identical)
• Time-Life's 2-CD Body Talk Vol. 17 Heart To Heart (1997; digitally exactly 2 dB quieter)

I have the LP versions on two Australian EMI multi-disc collections, both of which sound pretty bad and seem to use noise reduction:

• EMI Australia's 5-CD Seventies Complete Vol. 1 (1997)
• EMI Australia's 5-CD Pop Complete (1999)

Time-Life did an early fade of the LP version, in attempt to match the printed 45 length. There are other instances of Time-Life fading the LP version early, rather than reproduce the true 45 edits, like Barry White's "It's Ecstasy When You Lay Down Next To Me". This early fade (which didn't exist on record when the song was a hit in 1978) is on:

• Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 20 1978 Take Two (1991)
• Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 17 1978 (1997; digitally exactly 1.303 dB louder than Sounds)

The 45 edit (on promo 45s and first pressings of the commercial 45) runs 3:39, and is uncommon on CD. It's on Connoisseur Collection's 5-CD 100 Dance Hits Of The '70s (1988), which is a European collection. It also may appear on Arista/Legacy's Playlist, although I can't confirm Playlist. Here are editing instructions for recreating the 45 edit from the LP version, using the 1993 Greatest Hits as the source:

Segment 1
30 beats long
Extends from 0:00.0 to 0:17.4 of the LP version and the 45 edit
Ends on a downbeat

Remove the 32 beats from 0:17.4 to 0:35.5 of the LP version.

Segment 2
Begins on a downbeat
Extends from 0:35.5 to 3:18.6 of the LP version
Extends from 0:17.4 to 3:00.5 of the 45 edit
Ends on a snare on the word "you"

Remove the 32 beats from 3:18.6 to 3:36.7 of the LP version.

Segment 3
Begins on a snare on the word "you"
Extends from 3:36.7 to 3:59.2 of the LP version
Extends from 3:00.5 to 3:23.1 of the 45 edit
Ends on a snare on the word "the"

Remove the 32 beats from 3:59.2 to 4:17.3 of the LP version.

Segment 4
Begins on a snare on the word "the"
Extends from 4:17.3 to 4:37.1 (end) of the LP version
Extends from 3:23.1 to 3:42.9 (end) of the 45 edit

Your mixdown will run 3:40 (excluding outro silence), or 3:42.9 (including outro silence), with edits at 0:17.4, 3:00.5 and 3:23.1.

Edited by crapfromthepast