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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 41 |
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Jim:
Which of these mixes did your station play in 1987? New Order-"True Faith" (PRO-CD-2899) 1-The Morning Sun Remix/Edit (4:04) 2-Album Edit (4:10) 3-The Morning Sun Extended Remix (8:59) |
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Todd Ireland ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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I know John's post isn't specifically directed at me but I'd imagine the 8:59 remix would've been considered way too lengthy to add to a Top 40 station's regular rotation. I'd say it's a pretty safe bet Jim's station either played Track 1 or Track 2.
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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John, although I loved both the song and the video for "True Faith", I was consistently outvoted in our 1987 music meetings, 2 to 1, by the two other "voting members of the braintrust" in those meetings, week after week, so we never did actually add the song at ALL, at our station. But John, for what it's worth, I remember that the mix we all preferred, and always popped into the CD player to preview in the PD's office during those meetings was Cut 1, "The Morning Sun Remix/Edit." And, since it only ended up peaking at #32 in BB, I guess my cronies turned out to be right about that one! :(
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torcan ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 23 June 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I always liked this song and thought it should have been bigger than it was. The station I listened to played it, but added it very late. There were a couple of weeks where it was dropping and then reversed direction on the Hot 100. It was different than anything else on the radio at the time, and I always thought it was very melodic.
I have the 12-inch single with the "morning sun extended remix", which is the best version. |
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MCT1 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 26 December 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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IIRC, it spent a couple of weeks at #32 (which ultimately turned out to be its peak), then dropped to #38, then bounced back up to #34. This sticks out in my mind because at the time, it was very unusual chart behavior. In the '80s it was extremely rare for a song in the Top 40 to reverse course like this. And on the few ocassions when it did happen, it usually involved a song in the Top 10, where the song may have dropped in the first place due to being passed by another fast-rising song, not because its week-over-week popularity actually declined. Edited by MCT1 |
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mstgator ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 September 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The database currently lists both Singles and Bright Lights Big City O.S.T. as having the LP version. Despite the similar run times though, these are definitely not the same version as each other (obvious from the first few seconds). I'm guessing Singles has the true LP version (I don't own Substance to compare). My iTunes tags the soundtrack version as "Shep Pettibone's Morning Sun Edit", so I'm wondering if this is another version of the mixes that appear on the promo and 12" singles?
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Steve Sharp ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 08 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I've always been dissatisfied with both edits, as they cut part of the song's hook (cuting lyrics, and not for content). I'm going by memory, I'd have to pull out my copy of the aforementioned cd single to detail exactly what was cut.
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mstgator ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 06 September 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Yeah, I believe the four-minute edits cut the chorus from six lines to four. I don't recall if it was lines 3-4 or lines 4-5 that were excised, but it always bugged me to hear that as well.
(The "Morning Sun Edit" on Bright Lights, Big City has the full chorus. It has a long intro, with vocals starting at 1:17, and fades soon after the final chorus. The mix itself is also different than what's on Singles.) |
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Roscoe ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The 45 version does indeed edit some lines from the chorus. The full version of the chorus is as follows:
I used to think that the day would never come I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun My morning sun is the drug that brings me near To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear I used to think that the day would never come That my life would depend on the morning sun. The 45 version cuts out the 2 lines beginning with "To the childhood I lost...". The edit actually causes the last part of the chorus not to make sense, so I'm not sure why they did it that way. But the mix on the 45 version is much better than the LP version. I always wondered if there was a version that was the full LP version but utilizing the Shep Pettibone remix like the 45. Edited by Roscoe |
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chendagam ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 August 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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If you own the promo CD it's very easy to create you own edit combining the edit and the full remix version to bring the full chorus back in tact. I actually had to do this for a home video I created back in 1994. Speaking of 1994, when New Order released their best of album a slight remix of this song entitled "True Faith 94" was added. I'm no musical expert but I think they just went back and mixed the song a little better. From memory, the track is edited the same as the original "Album Edit" from 1987 but fades out a little sooner so that may be the discrepancy in run times listed in various databases since there are 1987 versions as well as 1994 versions. My local radio station picked the song back up in 1994 and played it all the time. I thought it was a brand new song and was shocked to find out it was 7 years old at the time.
The bright lights big city soundtrack version is just the long remix version but faded out early. Edited by chendagam |
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