"Survivor" - Destiny’s Child

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   According to the database, CD run times for Destiny's Child's "Survivor" range all over the place from 3:48 to 4:13.  We know the CD/LP version runs 4:13, but where do the shorter versions/lengths come from?  I think there may have been a commercial maxi-CD single release for the song but, if my memory serves me, it consisted of a bunch of remixes.  Does a regular domestic commercial single release exist?  Also, does anyone have a promo CD single release who can pass along the disc's contents?

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Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: "Survivor" - Destiny’s Child Posted: 18 June 2008 at 9:48pm
	According to the database, CD run times for Destiny's Child's "Survivor" range all over the place from 3:48 to 4:13. We know the CD/LP version runs 4:13, but where do the shorter versions/lengths come from? I think there may have been a commercial maxi-CD single release for the song but, if my memory serves me, it consisted of a bunch of remixes. Does a regular domestic commercial single release exist? Also, does anyone have a promo CD single release who can pass along the disc's contents?

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 June 2008 at 1:20am
	Hmm, I don't recall anything but a maxi-single in the U.S., either. But there was a U.S. 45. It lists the A-side as (apparently) the album version, running 4:14, with the B-side being a remix featuring Da Brat, running a listed 4:24: Edited by Brian W.

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 79	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 June 2008 at 6:18am
	Todd, my copy is from RPM Top Hits U.S.A. It is non-descriptive, runs 4:00 and ends with a vocal cold.

Underground Dub Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 July 2006 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Underground Dub Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 June 2008 at 10:55am
	I believe this is one of several tracks that was edited specifically for Destiny's Child #1's compilation. It's possible the shorter run time originates from that release.

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 June 2008 at 6:37pm
	The song runs 3:48 on two CDs and yet runs 3:59-4:00 on a couple of other discs. Are these shorter lengths the result of early fades? Edits? Different mixes?

eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 79	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 June 2008 at 7:40pm
	If it helps, the digital copy on Napster is labeled as the #1's Edit and runs 3:48. I think Underground Dub may be on to something regarding special edits for that CD.

Paul C Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 23 October 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 19	Post Options Post Reply Quote Paul C Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 June 2008 at 9:45pm
	My U.S. promo CD has the following tracks (all times are stated times): 1. Album Version (4:01) 2. Instrumental (3:56) 3. A Cappella (3:37) The first track runs 4:00 and is as eriejwg describes. It is clearly not the "Album Version" as claimed, since according to the database the song runs 4:13 on the Survivor CD. The album was not actually released until May 2001, two months after the song debuted on the Billboard Hot 100.

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 June 2008 at 7:30am
	Thanks, Paul, John, and Dub for your input. On the surface, it looks like CD appearances running 4:13 consist of the 45 and LP version/length, while CDs with a 3:59-4:00 run time feature the DJ edit (or DJ length if it's an early fade of the 4:13 length... I don't have the latter to compare). This all still needs to be 100% verified, however. And unless there's evidence to the contrary, a "neither the 45 nor LP version" notation should accompany CDs containing the 3:48 version. Edited by Todd Ireland

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 June 2008 at 9:17am
	Tood, ealier in this thread Brian kindly provided us with a scan of his listed (4:14) U.S. commercial 45, so shouldn't we use that as the official "45 baseline", my friend?

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 21 June 2008 at 9:52am
	Yes, Jim, I do agree that the vinyl 45 release should count as a "45 version" even though vinyl 45s were selling in such miniscule numbers in 2001 when "Survivor" was a hit. I've gone back and revised the comments of my previous post accordingly. Edited by Todd Ireland