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    Posted: 05 October 2005 at 4:07pm
Hi - I've been looking to find or edit two early Chicago singles, Beginnings and Questions 67 and 68, from their album versions. As far as I can tell, they don't seem to exist on CD. (The Rhino reissues have some other early single versions, including "25 or 6 to 4").

The TMCentury Golddisc database lists "Beginnings" as a 2:32 edit, with a 5-second intro. I remember hearing this on the radio once, but I can't recall where the cuts were. Based on that information, I created my own edit, cutting directly from the guitar intro and drum fill to the first verse. Then, after the breakdown, I cut back into the second set of "Woah-oh-oh" and faded there. Does anyone know if this is correct?

The database also lists a short version of "Questions 67 & 68". Anyone familiar with this?

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the 45 of "beginnings" runs 2:45 and i don't think was ever issued on cd........the 45 of "questions 67 and 68" runs 3:25 and was issued on the cd "greatest hits volume 2"........as far as my research goes, the only two 45 versions NOT ever issued on cd are "beginnings" and "does anybody really know what time it is?" with the spoken words during the break........edtop40
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edtop40....so, the 45 of "does anybody really know what time it is?" HAS the talking? I don't have a 45 to compare, but I seem to recall it not being there when I listened to it on the radio, which I remember as being played without the longer brass intro too, i.e., shortening it to 20 seconds from 46. perhaps there is a radio edit (which could be what i have on the LP Chicago IX Greatest Hits, NOT the CD of same). whew.

SO, my real question, was the talking on the 45 and how long does it run. thanks
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If you're using TM Century's database as a reference, you should note that the times listed are NOT the full run times of the songs. The times are based on when the next song (or element) should start when playing it on the air. (Obviously, you wouldn't hear the song fade all the way out before the next song started, unless the DJ wasn't paying attention.) So, in this case, the DJ would start another song, play a station ID, etc., when "Beginnings" is at the 2:32 mark. (Generally, the times listed are when the song fades to the point of peaking at the -12 db mark.)
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No talking on my commercial copy of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is".
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i just listened to my 45 versus the version from their greatest hits vol 1 and the cd HAS spoken words in the background from the 2:12-2:32 mark while the 45 does not........the songs are the same otherwise.........they both run 3:17.....the cd is stereo while the 45 version is mono.......hope this clear this up.............does anyone have this song on cd WITHOUT the spoken words in the background??
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The 2:52 DJ edit appears on the long out-of-print "If You Leave Me Now." No talking on that one, BTW. I don't have Pat's book in front of me, and I can't recall if the 2:52 edit was stereo or mono.

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the dj edit of beginings or does anyone??
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Sorry. The DJ edit of "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?"

Did "Beginnings" have a DJ edit (I know there was a commercial edit)?

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Originally posted by edtop40 edtop40 wrote:

the 45 of "beginnings" runs 2:45 and i don't think was ever issued on cd........the 45 of "questions 67 and 68" runs 3:25 and was issued on the cd "greatest hits volume 2"........as far as my research goes, the only two 45 versions NOT ever issued on cd are "beginnings" and "does anybody really know what time it is?" with the spoken words during the break........edtop40

I don't think the 45 of "(I've Been) Searchin' So Long" was issued on a CD (all CDs I know have the LP version unless something changed recently). And I'm not aware of the 45 edit of "I'm A Man" (the B-side of "Questions 67 & 68") on a CD either (the Rhino edit on "The Very Best of Chicago" is not the 45 version).

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