Gerry & Pacemakers Ferry Cross The Mersey

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   Just downloaded from iTunes the mono version of this from the set "You'll Never Walk Alone [The EMI Years 1963-1966]".  It is missing the opening bongos and during the instrumental intro, they are so buried in the mix, I can barely hear them.

Anyone know if this is a new edit/mix, or if is was that way on an original 45 (U.S. or U.K.)?

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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Gerry & Pacemakers Ferry Cross The Mersey Posted: 07 September 2008 at 1:27pm
	Just downloaded from iTunes the mono version of this from the set "You'll Never Walk Alone [The EMI Years 1963-1966]". It is missing the opening bongos and during the instrumental intro, they are so buried in the mix, I can barely hear them. Anyone know if this is a new edit/mix, or if is was that way on an original 45 (U.S. or U.K.)?
	dc1

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 September 2008 at 6:07pm
	I pulled out my US 45 Laurie 3284 and the bongos are the same on this mono 45 as they are on several stereo cd's like Great Hits on EMI-Manhattan 46583.

The Hits Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 04 February 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Hits Man Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 September 2008 at 6:54pm
	Hi Pat, From what I read at Tom Daly's site, none of the stereo mixes on CD or anywhere else exactly match the actual Laurie 45 you have. When I heard the 45, I did hear some subtle differences. I think the vocal track is slightly different, and the bongos sound a bit different too.


Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 September 2008 at 3:31pm
	I am having no luck discerning differences between the mono and stereo versions of Ferry Across The Mersey so could you pass along Tom Daly's web site so I can see what others are saying about this difference?

smvceo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 December 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote smvceo Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 February 2009 at 1:21pm
	The stereo master has a different vocal track at the start, but may switch to the same vocal track 20 or 30 seconds into the song. Don't use the Laurie 45 as a point of reference. Use the Laurie LP of the same title, since the 45 is distorted and the LP is not. They are both from the same master. Tom Daly

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 March 2009 at 10:17am
	I can not discern a difference between the mono 45 and stereo LP version of the vocal track "20 or 30 seconds into the song". Can anyone enlighten me? thanks.
	dc1

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 November 2013 at 1:09pm
	i also CANNOT discern any difference between the vinyl 45 version and the cd version from 'gerry cross the mersey' on razor & tie 2084.....i listened about 4 times and the only differences i hear are the inherent mono/stereo differences i always harp about....all the instrumentation and vocals are the same.....i do NOT think an 'lp version' designation is warranted in the db...
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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 June 2015 at 7:36pm
	I notice the database still has the LP version notation for this track, even though Pat, myself and ed have stated we can not discern a difference in the opening vocal. Going back to my original post, I have come across two Canadian 45s being played on YouTube, and low and behold, it is the same “odd” version that I downloaded from the CD I mention from iTunes, that is missing the opening bongos and has them mixed down during the opening instrumental. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t9B6OQsCow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwSWRKqDmYM Makes me wonder what the UK 45 version is. It is true, Canada sometimes got a different version than the US when it came to British artists during the British Invasion. Does anyone have a dub of a Laurie 45 I can listen to? Perhaps my mono 45 version is not correct?
	dc1

Oddbjorn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 November 2007 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Oddbjorn Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 June 2015 at 8:10am
	My notices about the UK45 which I own (Columbia DB 7437): Mono, Runs 2.18 and match in my ears (close) UK CD 'A's B's & EP's - Gerry and The Pacemakers - EMI 7243596815' (2004) (mono) where it is running 2:17. Intro 0.10 before: 'Life goes on day after day'. Intro of what it seems to be LP version (stereo) is 0:14, and this seems also to be US 45 - (Neither of which I own).
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davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 June 2015 at 10:33pm
	OddNor, from what you indicate, it would seem that the UK 45 trims off the opening 0:04 of drum “solo", as does the CAD 45. Seems the US 45 used what was an LP version that includes the opening 0:04 of drums. Are the drums mixed way down in the UK version during the 0:10 instrumental opening as they are in the CAD 45s I posted from YouTube? I have been sent a US 45 dub, and i still can not detect a vocal difference. If there is one, can someone point it out to me? Edited by davidclark
	dc1