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The Surfaris-"Wipe Out" |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Since both the 1963 (BB Peak: #2) and 1966 (BB Peak: #16) Dot 45 hit releases for the same original 45 recording have different stock # info, etc, I'll include all the info for both 45 releases here. As I work my way backwards researching the 1960's, I will later add my 1963 "Wipe Out" hit 45 details to this post, when I reach that year. For now, my 1966 commercial 45 (confirmed as Dot 144, is styrene, with machine-stamped deadwax of "18041-2" ("18042-2" is crossed out just to the right)) has a listed time of (2:12), but an actual time of (2:16). I will confirm this later, but at first glance, based on the current database CDs/notations for this song, the 1963 45 timings appear to be exactly the same as my 1966 45 information is.
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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As promised above, I have just timed my 1963 commercial 45 of "Wipe Out" (confirmed as Dot 16479, with machine-stamped deadwax of "MW-18041-1"), and time-wise, it exactly parallels my 1966 commercial 45 findings, with a listed time of (2:12) and an actual time of (2:16).
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KentT ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 25 May 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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The original issue was on the small DFS label and is very rare and worth high dollar. Dot picked this title up for national release and the Dot 45 was released twice. All Dot 45 singles have the same timing.
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I turn up the good and turn down the bad!
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 88 |
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I have an MCA reissue single that is a re-recording. It says on the bottom of the 45 label that this version was originally released on Decca. There is also a YouTube video that has the Decca 45 playing (a 1966 pressing, according to the guy who made the video), and the recording matches my reissue 45. It does not have the famous laugh at the beginning, but instead starts with the drum solo.
Was this yet a third release for "Wipeout" in the '60s? Did it chart? |
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jimct ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Aaron, when Dot acquired the "Wipe Out/Surfer Joe" 45 master from DFS, I
believe those were the only two tunes that Dot actually "owned" by the band at that time. I believe that the quickly-prepared "Wipe Out" 1963 Dot LP actually used studio musicians to crank out remakes of old hit instrumentals to fill up the album. When "Wipe Out" first hit, the band was courted by many labels. Decca offered the best deal, so the Surfaris signed with them. Decca issued in total 11 45s and 5 LPs between '63 and '66. (Only 1 45 hit the BB Hot 100, though - the first one, "Point Panic", 3 months after "Wipe Out".) And, when the "Wipe Out" Dot 45 version had its second hit run in 1966, Decca desperately tried to cash in on it, by releasing the re-recorded version you have on that MCA reprint, on a 45 (originally Decca 32003, b/w "I'm A Hog For You"). Decca might've sold a few copies to some confused 1966 record store customers, but that version never got any airplay at all, and was/is generally considered far inferior to the Dot 45. That was enough agita for Decca, though, who then dropped the Surfaris. One label HAD made money off the group, however: Dot. And after its second chart hit run in '66, the group did finally sign with them. But, after putting out two flop 45s, in late '66/early '67, Dot then cut the Surfaris loose as well. Edited by jimct |
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Yah Shure ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 11 December 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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MCA certainly didn't help to clarify any of the confusion. Even after acquiring the Dot hit and reissuing it under the old ABC Goldies 45 catalog number (2703, with "Surfer Joe" still on the flip) they continued to keep their reissue of the Decca remake (MCA 60055, with "I'm A Hog..." on the flip) in print for years.
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aaronk ![]() Admin Group ![]() Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 88 |
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Thanks for all the great info, guys! There are a couple database CDs that say "re-recording." I wonder if those have the Decca re-recording.
Also, as a side note, the best copy on CD I've heard comes from Rhino's "Surfin' Hits." It blows away all other copies I've come across. There is another Rhino compilation called "Frat Rock" that has skips/jumps in the audio, most noticeable at 0:26. This is because they edited out some of the loud clicks that appear on most copies. |
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edtop40 ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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my 2 commercial 45's are the same as jim's above....if you
fade the 2:37 version for 0:06 from 2:10 to 2:16 you'll effectively re-create the proper vinyl 45 version..... |
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davidclark ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 15 |
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can anyone confirm with the extended version first appeared? I first got it on
the Vintage Music (but it has the clicking noises). |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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"Wipe Out" was only recorded in mono. No stereo, no fake stereo.
Vinyl 45 (2:16 or 2:17) The song was on DTS and Princess before it ended up on Dot Records, and has been rerecorded multiple times afterward. The hit was on Dot. According to an interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGtJ1dj3a2I&pp=ygUPc3VyZmFy aXMgZGZzIDQ1) with a member of the Surfaris, the hit version was an early fade of the full take. According to the interview, the full take might have been on the original DFS 45s, although I doubt it because the DFS 45 shows a printed time of 2:12, just like the later 45s. Discogs shows that a DFS 45 sold about three years ago for $2500, so I'm not going to investigate any further! I have a dub of a vinyl 45 (ripped by Genes Oldies and cleaned by Pegasus) that runs about 2:16.5. If you start counting at "1" on the downbeat at 2:07 (the start of the last verse), the fade begins around beat "8", and the fade ends at beat "24". I found a YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z93EIhJaknc) of a US Dot 45 fading to silence at beat "24". I found a YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZVfElwt27o) of a UK London Dot 45 fading to silence at "20". There's a video on YouTube by The45Prof (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c0rOUMHFaI), which starts the fade in the same place at beat "8", but fades to silence at beat "17". There's another video on YouTube labeled as "the original hit version" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hLeQCnTGq8), which starts the fade in the same place at beat "8", but fades to silence at beat "22". Which is correct? If I had to pick, I'd vote that the "24" versions are the true Dot (hit) 45 lengths: starting counting at "1" on the downbeat at 2:07, the fade begins at beat "8" and ends at beat "24". CDs (most about 2:37) The database currently shows 106 CDs having the song in mono, 9 in fake stereo, and 3 in stereo (including a digitally-extracted stereo version, a rerecording, and a possibly mislabeled entry in the database). For the hit version, you'll want the song in mono. Virtually all the CDs out there run about 2:37, which is 20 seconds longer than the Dot 45. I think the earliest CD to include the song is Original Sound's Oldies But Goodies Vol. 8 (1986), where it runs 2:28, or 11 seconds longer than the 45. It's the only CD to run at that length. Sound is OK here. It seems to be from a tape source. There's a small EQ difference between the left and right channels, so the soundstage is a little off-center in headphones. There are some tape crackles throughout the track, including quite a few between 0:25 and 0:30; the tape crackles are not on the 45. Still, this track is above average for the Original Sound series. The earliest major-label CD to include the song is MCA's Vintage Music Volumes 7 And 8 (1986), where it runs 2:37, or 20 seconds longer than the 45. Sound is OK here - OK source tapes, great dynamic range, very natural-sounding EQ, no evidence of added noise reduction on the fade. It's in very good mono (meaning that in an OOPS test, the left and right channels cancel to better than -40 dB). But this mastering also has the tape crackles throughout, including a few between 0:25 and 0:30. I think the following discs use the same source tape used on Vintage Music (either a new analog transfer of the same source tape, or the same analog transfer):
My recommendation I vote for Rhino's Rock Instrumental Classics Vol. 5 Surf (1994). The sound is superb, with excellent source tapes, great dynamic range, a slightly treble-heavy EQ, and a fade that doesn't start early. If I do hear a noise reduction artifact (and I'm not sure that I do), it's nothing to worry about. Edited by crapfromthepast |
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