three dog night joy to the world

my commercial 45 for the three dog night song 'joy to the
world' issued as dunhill/abc 4272 lists a run time on the
label as 3:17 but actually runs 3:20....jim, can you
check your 45 run time info for verification?.....the cd
'the
complete hit singles' dumps the song early (3:14).....in
addition, this cd collection is pitched faster
than the vinyl 45.....the last lyrics heard on this cd
are 'joy to the fishes in the deep blue sea'....while
the vinyl 45 goes longer as 'joy to the fishes in the
deep blue sea, joy to you and me, i want to sing it'
.....this 45 run time info s/b added to the db.....i
don't hear the words "i want to sing it' during any of
the chorus
in the song, so it can't even be re-created by are
resident editing experts....and this, being the number
one song from
1971!!.....btw....who puts these cd collections together
where they can't double check the proper versions that
they compile together....very frustrating....maybe that
can be my next job after i retire from wall street!...
.....a professional music double checker..


Edited by edtop40

Since the cd would have almost certainly used a disc dub for the single version, it doesn't surprise me in the least that the song would dump out a few seconds early....

TomDiehl1 wrote: Since the cd would have almost certainly used a disc dub for the single version, it doesn't surprise me in the least that the song would dump out a few seconds early....

This brings up a really good point, which is one that I mentioned in another thread a long time ago. There are some mono Three Dog Night singles that have made it onto CD. I've never suspected them to be dubbed from vinyl, but maybe they were. Just now, I listened to "Joy To The World" from the Celebrate compilation. I don't hear any vinyl rumble, but there are some mysterious clicks here and there. There are also some places that could possibly be groove distortion, but I can't say for sure. If this CD does contain a vinyl dub, the mastering engineer did a really great job.

Ed, it could be for any number of reasons. Perhaps the turntable ran too fast, or perhaps they dubbed it into an audio editor (these things did exist as early as the late '80s) and then back to a new master tape.

Of course, it may not be a vinyl dub at all, and perhaps the clicks and pops are part of the master tape it was taken from. One thing that is still puzzling, though, is why the Three Dog Night mono tapes would have survived when all the others were dumped.

TomDiehl1 wrote: Since the cd would have almost certainly used a disc dub for the single version, it doesn't surprise me in the least that the song would dump out a few seconds early....

   "Joy To The World"
mono single is one of the very few songs that exist on
tape.

edtop40 wrote: if they DID use a vinyl copy on their cd re-issuance, why would the pitch be off?

Well, that would require taking a look at the running
time of the CD in question. It could be that in order to
cram all the songs they wanted on the CD, they slightly
sped up the tape and faded the song early. It sounds
very much like what they did to the last Elton John comp.

Edited by The Hits Man