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PopArchivist ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 June 2018 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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A few questions
1) Why are the vocals from Eric on this so muffled. That risque a song in 1972? 2) The stereo sounds like mono - literally. No depth at all. Is there any version with is actually stereo where the lyrics are clear outside the chorus? Thanks in advance. |
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AdvprosD ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 12 June 2020 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Which ERIC release is it on?
Some of the HTFHOCD series has been remastered. Maybe a cleaner copy since the issue you have? |
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Santi Paradoa ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 February 2009 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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I think the Eric that Rich is speaking of is the lead singer of the band (Eric Carmen).
As to why the song sounds the way it does (and is virtually mono) I have always felt it's thanks to their producer (Jimmy Ienner). Probably a good bet that Jimmy was mixing the record for AM radio and decided to go with a mix with little to no stereo separation (even though it was 1972). More baffling is in the next five decades nobody ever went back to the original master tapes to remix the song into decent stereo. It may not matter which CD you have the song on since they all use the same terrible mix (at least the ones I have listened to). Pat has properly listed every entry with "poor stereo separation." |
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Paul C ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 23 October 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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Both “Go All The Way” and its follow-up, “I Wanna Be With You“, were
intentionally mixed this way because the band and producer Jimmy Ienner were aiming for a sound that would later be dubbed ‘power pop’. Both sound fantastic on a transistor radio, but not so fantastic on anything more sophisticated. The session tapes have apparently not survived, so it looks like these mixes are the only ones we are ever going to hear. |
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PopArchivist ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 June 2018 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 17 |
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Eric Carmen, not Eric records. |
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crapfromthepast ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9 |
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What does an overdose of analog compression/limiting sound like? It sounds like "Go All The Way" by the Raspberries. I love it! It wouldn't have been a hit if it was mixed like Steely Dan. The song was also mixed in extremely narrow stereo, much like the Creedence Clearwater Revival records.
The mastering history is straightforward here. The song turned up first (?) on JCI's Rockin' Seventies (1988). It sounds fine here. There's a different analog transfer on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 3 1972 (1989). I prefer this over the JCI, because it has a teeny bit more high end in the EQ. The same analog transfer is used on:
There's a new analog transfer on the Raspberries collection Capitol Collectors Series (1991). It sounds just fine here, too, with just a little less high end than the Time-Life mastering. The same analog transfer is used on:
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eriejwg ![]() Music Fan ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 41 |
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After a top of the hour ID, this song certainly jumped out
of the radio. |
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C J Brown ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 December 2007 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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CKLW demonstrated what John Gallagher mentions above many
times during the hit run. |
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I can't find it anymore, but there was an article about how when the band first recorded the song, they didn't think it was usable because the drumming was too wimpy-sounding. But then they ran it through a very aggressive limiter, which they called the "Oscar Mayer" limiter, because any audio put through it had its dynamics squashed as flat as a slice of bologna. When they did, it suddenly sounded like a hit to them -- and it was.
The only part of the song that is actually true stereo are the vocal ad-libs during the intro, which may have been dubbed in later. The rest of the song is mono with a bit of stereo reverb added, and run through that Oscar Mayer limiter with slightly different time constants on the left and right channels, causing the balance to wander side to side. I've tried widening the stereo image, but instead of revealing any true separation between the channels, it just makes the balance wandering even worse. |
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EdisonLite ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I tried widening the stereo image, too, and got the same results as you. But I
never heard about the master tapes being lost. They wouldn't have been in the Universal fire of 2007-ish, because EMI/Capitol hadn't yet been bought by Universal at the time of the fire. And Raspberries were on Capitol. Also, I knew about Go All the Way being virtually mono, but I didn't realize that about I Wanna Be With You. Is that really the case, and is the LP version any wider? |
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