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Picking apart this track on the Steve Hoffman board, and thought I'd post my findings:

More crazy edits! The full album version runs 25:28, and all the versions I have on CD are labeled in Pat Downey's book as "neither the 45 or LP version". Have A Nice Day Vol. 23 (1996) runs 3:17 and sounds pretty terrible here - very muffled sound compared to the other versions I have. Must be a very high-generation source tape. There's a version running 4:15 on Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies - A Loss For Words (1995) that has decent sound, but I suspect that it's just the first 4:15 of the LP version, because nothing really happens. (HAND clearly has edits, and goes through lots of changes over its length.) Madacy's Rock On 1974 (1996) is digitally identical to A Loss For Words. Disky's 8-CD Greatest Hits Of The '70s (2000) is the same 4:15 version, but with a different analog transfer. And complicating matters even further is a promo CD single, Virgin PRCD 3572, with only one track, denoted as "Edit", with a printed and actual time of 3:20. The sound is infinitely more clear than HAND, but it's edited differently - could this be the actual 45 edit? If I had to pick one version, it would be this promo CD single.

I'll be happy to send this promo CD single version around, if it will help clear things up. (I'd also like to know if the 4:15 versions are just the opening 4:15 of the album version.)
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Originally posted by crapfromthepast crapfromthepast wrote:

And complicating matters even further is a promo CD single, Virgin PRCD 3572, with only one track, denoted as "Edit", with a printed and actual time of 3:20. The sound is infinitely more clear than HAND, but it's edited differently - could this be the actual 45 edit? If I had to pick one version, it would be this promo CD single.


Was this an actual re-release of the song (and if so, when?) or just a radio/in-store sampler? Obviously there were no promo CDs in 1974!
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It looks like it was for radio. It says For Promotional Use Only - Not For Sale, much like the late '80s promo CDs for radio.

Don't know what it's promoting; it says "From the album TUBULAR BELLS available on Virgin Cassettes and Compact Discs. 90589"

Mike Oldfield did a Tubular Bells 2 in 1992 (with Trevor Horn?) on Warner Bros. Could this Virgin promo CD be released to capitalize on that? Can anyone pin down the release date for PRCD 3572?
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Based on other Virgin promo CD releases with similar catalog numbers, it appears that one was put out in 1990.
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I obtained (and still have) that 1990 promo CD single, hoping for the best. But, edit-wise, it is clearly a million miles away from being the correct 1974 Top 10 45 version. I remember being very disapponted at the time. I believe that 1990 promo CD single was released to promote an Oldfield "Hits" compilation issued around that same time. Probably because I am so used to it, I'll take the 1974 hit mix over the 1990 promo CD single version any day!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Todd Ireland Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 April 2010 at 10:41pm
I think it's reasonably safe to assume the single master tapes for "Tubular Bells" are missing or lost... Otherwise, why would these reissue labels go through the trouble of repeatedly trying to edit down the full 25:28 album version, albeit incorrectly?
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Has anyone ever pinpointed exactly what the differences are between the 45 version and the HAND version?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jimct Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2010 at 8:31pm
Doug, the HAND version is not even close, either, because it was simply an engineer's uneducated guess. The HAND v will not be any help to you in getting the correct 45v. Forgive me sir, because it has been at least 7+ years since myself/my now-out-of-touch-with digital buddies tackled it. It can be done (although my "experts" inexplicably didn't match up the 45/LP speeds, which made my end result way too fast!) But, if I were trying to pick a song to give a person the maximum "audio agita", I would suggest they try to accurately create the correct 45v for "Tubular Bells!" Even "Ron/CFTP's" chime-in above is not his normal breakdown, which gives you an idea about what this one entails! But what I DO remember is that, despite having a forever-long, (25:28) album version to work with (which is 98% of the problem), the correct 45 ending was nonetheless repeated/spliced on from the beginning 45 notes. Doug, unless you possess note-for-note, wave file comparison technology to utilize, against a 1974 45 and MANY available hours, I believe success is impossible. This board is FULL of digital wizards, and still, I can't think of another Top 10 hit that has YET to be 100% digitally nailed as of today, despite all of its source audio currently existing on digital, can you? And, with over 800 views now, perhaps this one should be elevated to the "Holy Grail Of Top 10 Hit 45 Versions Wanted On Digital" status!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aaronk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 April 2010 at 9:54am
Originally posted by jimct jimct wrote:

This board is FULL of digital wizards, and still, I can't think of another Top 10 hit that has YET to be 100% digitally nailed as of today, despite all of its source audio currently existing on digital, can you? And, with over 800 views now, perhaps this one should be elevated to the "Holy Grail Of Top 10 Hit 45 Versions Wanted On Digital" status!

Jim, you know that once you post a statement like that, I'm going to ask you to please send all needed audio to create the 100% correct version. :D
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if anyone can nail it, it'll be aaron!!!
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