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    Posted: 30 July 2012 at 1:01pm
I'm not sure if somebody has started this thread before, but I've been working on a list of Cashbox top 40 hits which were not top 40 hits in Billboard magazine. Although I have only researched 1972, 73 and 74, I was surprised to find out as many as 36 songs were Top 40 hits in Cashbox but not in BB in 1972, 35 in 1973 and 24 in 1974. In addition, many of these songs are not included in the database (e.g. Stories "Mammy blue" #21, Soul Children "Hearsay" #22, Led Zeppelin "Over hills.." #28 to name only very few).
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Wow, I had no idea that there were so many. Will you be posting the list here?
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Yes of course, I worked with the weekly charts published in the Cashbox website. If you are interested I can also post highest Cashbox and Billboard positions for comparison purposes. It is interesting to see the gap between the highest position between both charts (e.g. John Denver's "I'd rather be a cowboy" reached #27 in CB and #62 in BB). Could anybody explain these differences?
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When you get to "The Letter" by Wayne Newton as the number one song December 12th 1992 you begin to sense a pattern. The earlier Cashbox charts (60's and 70's) seemed reasonable, but into the 80's and 90's the phrase to best describe Cashbox was "the best charts money can buy". For more on Cashbox charts, just Google "Cashbox Magazine Murder"
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As I recall, Billboard charts were based on a combination of airplay and sales, whereas Cashbox was sales only.
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Here's the 1973 list, number in the left is Cashbox peak position, number in the right is BB peak position which I have added for comparison purposes. To make this faster, I have shortened some song titles.

20 Sutherland bros and Quiver You got me anyway      48
21 Stories          Mammy blue        50
25 Jerry Lee Lewis       Drinkin' wine...       41
27 John Denver           I'd rather be a cowboy 62
28 Led Zeppelin       Over the hills and far.51
29 Manhattans        There's no me without..43
30 Steely Dan       Show biz kids        61
31 Donna Fargo       Superman  41
31 Lighthouse       Pretty lady     53
32 Grass Roots     Love is what you make..55
32 Jackie Moore     Sweet Charlie babe     42
33 Stealers Wheel    Everyone's agreed that.49
33 America       Muskrat love      67
34 Rolling Stones     You can't always get.. 42
34 Tom Jones        Letter to Lucille      60
35 Rod Stewart      Twisting the night away 59
35 Bloodstone       Never let you go       43
36 David Gates      Clouds       47
36 Independents     Baby I've been missing.41
36 Dobie Gray       Loving &n bsp; arms     61
36 Alice Cooper     Billion dollar babies 57
37 Les Emmerson     Control of me        51
37 Michael Jackson With a child's heart   50
37 Anne Murray      What about me      64
37 Raspberries      Tonight                    69
38 First Choice     Smarty Pants     56
39 Cymande         The message          48
39 Austin Roberts    Keep on singing        50
39 Hues Corporation Freedom for the..      63
40 Nilsson          Remember (Christmas)   53
40 Tommy James       Boo boo don't cha be.. 70
40 Keith Hampshire   The first cut is the.. 51
40 Eagles          &nbs p; Tequila sunrise        64
40 Nino Tempo        Sister   James     & nbsp;   53

In subsequent years list gets substantially shorter. If you like this I can post all 70s and 80s lists.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 July 2012 at 6:14pm
Originally posted by bitman bitman wrote:

As I recall, Billboard charts were based on a combination of airplay and sales, whereas Cashbox was sales only.

Up to a certain point Cash Box was sales-only, and we're not quite sure where.

They stopped notating that the chart was compiled from only sales in early 1968, but the year-end charts continued to call it the "Cash Box Top 100 Bestselling Singles Chart" up through the 1973 or 1974 year-end issue. Cash Box began notating which songs were the greatest airplay gainers sometime in the late '70s. So it's kind of a mystery as to exactly when they started incorporating airplay.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brian W. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 August 2012 at 12:43am
Originally posted by rnell rnell wrote:

Here's the 1973 list... In subsequent years
list gets substantially shorter. If you like this I can
post all 70s and 80s lists.


I'd like to see them, rnell. Actually, the lists getting
shorter in subsequent years would seem to back up the scant
evidence we have that 1973 was perhaps the last full year
that the "Cash Box" Top 100 was a completely sales-based
chart.

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I, too, would like to see all 70s and 80s lists. Thanks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 August 2012 at 10:39am
Here's the 1972 list, hope it looks better (compared with my previous list - 1973 -!!).

Thanks to Santi Paradoa for helping me reconvert the files.

22 Soul   Children      Hearsay         44
25 Tommy James & Shondells Nothing To Hide     41
25 Sly & the Family Stone Smilin’          ;    42
26 Guess Who          Heartbroken Bopper     47
26 Stories          I’m Coming Home          42
27 John Denver           Friends With You     47
28 Raiders          Country Wine         51
29 Elton John        Tiny Dancer           41
31 Partridge Family     Am I Losing You         59
32 James Brown         I Got A Bag On My Own     44
32 Bobby Womack           Woman’s Gotta Have It     60
32 Yes          And You And I           ;  42
33 Emotions         Show Me How         52
33 Denise LaSalle     Now Run And Tell That     46
34 Clean Living           In Heaven There Is No Beer 49
34 Giorgio          ; Son Of My Father     46
34 Millie Jackson     My Man A Sweet Man     42
35 Jefferson Airplane     Pretty As You Feel     60
35 King Floyd         Woman Don’t Go Astray     53
35 Joe Tex         You Said A Bad Word     41
36 Alice Cooper      Be My Lover         49
36 Chris Hodges           We’re On Our Way     44
36 Isley Brothers     Lay Away         54
36 John Lennon           Happy Xmas     
36 Candi Staton           In The Ghetto           48
38 James Brown         Honky Tonk         44
38 James Brown         There It Is         43
38 Gladstone        A Piece Of Paper     45
38 Wayne Newton           Can’t You Hear The Song     48
38 Rod Stewart          Handbags And Gladrags     42
38 Sugar Bears         You Are The One        51
39 Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds Daisy Mae     41
39 Nite Liters           Afro Strut         49
40 Crusaders        Put It Where You Want It 52
40 Denise La Salle     Man Sized Job         55
40 Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes I Miss You,      58



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