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Does anyone know how to get the 3:55 dj version of "Shadow Dancing"? Is it simply a fade, or an edit (and if so, what is edited)?

OK, so if I understand correctly, you just fade the album version, starting at 3:45 and ending at 3:55 (and it might be a little hotter). Is that right? Thanks.

No mix differences on this one; it's just an early fade the LP length. I think the "hotter" sound that Kerry is referring to could be that the short side is pressed louder than the long side.

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Are there two different dj 45's issued for "Shadow Dancing"? My copy is RSO 893 with matrix number RS-893-AM-CT1 which is the mono side with a stated time of (3:35) but actual running time of (3:55) and RS-893-AS-CT2 which is the stereo side with a stated running time of (4:12) but actual running time of (4:32).

The first CD to include "Shadow Dancing" was Polydor's Andy Gibb greatest hits album from 1991. It runs 4:29 here, and sounds excellent - excellent dynamic range, very good EQ, no traces of noise reduction, and seemingly very low-generation source tapes. It's no wonder that a bunch of others use the same analog transfer:

Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 38 Celebration (1994; mastered too loud and clips a bit)
Razor & Tie's 2-CD Super '70s (1995; shortens the tail of the fade)
Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 25 1978 (1997; digitally exactly 1 dB quieter)
Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 46 '70s Dance Party 1978-1979 (1997; differently-EQ'd digital clone)

I have just one compilation that isn't based on Andy Gibb. Sessions/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Ultimate Party Album (1992) runs three seconds longer, at 4:32, and has a differently shaped fade than Andy Gibb. Based on the timing, I'd guess that Ultimate probably uses the same analog transfer as Polydor's Shadow Dancing disc (just a guess). Overall, I prefer the sound on Andy Gibb.

The promo 45 is an early fade of the LP/commercial 45 version. Add a 32-beat fade, downbeat to downbeat on the word "Do", from 3:36.1 to 3:54.6 of the LP/commercial 45 version (using the timings from Andy Gibb).

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EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 225	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Andy Gibb - Shadow Dancing Posted: 12 February 2013 at 11:13am
	Does anyone know how to get the 3:55 dj version of "Shadow Dancing"? Is it simply a fade, or an edit (and if so, what is edited)?

Kerry Jackson Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 15 June 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kerry Jackson Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 February 2013 at 2:39pm
	I checked my dj copy of the 45 this afternoon. One side is 3:55 as you mentioned, but is listed on the label as 4:12. The other side is also listed as 4:12, but is actually 4:31. The short version is a fade of the long version. There are no edits, and the fade begins at 3:45 and fades out at 3:55. I did notice that the short version is mixed a little hotter than the longer version.

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 225	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 February 2013 at 4:20pm
	OK, so if I understand correctly, you just fade the album version, starting at 3:45 and ending at 3:55 (and it might be a little hotter). Is that right? Thanks.

Kerry Jackson Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 15 June 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kerry Jackson Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 February 2013 at 6:53pm
	That's true for the short version compared to the long version on the DJ 45. I don't have the album or cd versions to compare those.

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	No mix differences on this one; it's just an early fade the LP length. I think the "hotter" sound that Kerry is referring to could be that the short side is pressed louder than the long side.
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Kerry Jackson Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 15 June 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kerry Jackson Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 February 2013 at 9:39am
	Yes, the hotter sound on the short side is level, not equalization or remix.

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 February 2013 at 10:13am
	Are there two different dj 45's issued for "Shadow Dancing"? My copy is RSO 893 with matrix number RS-893-AM-CT1 which is the mono side with a stated time of (3:35) but actual running time of (3:55) and RS-893-AS-CT2 which is the stereo side with a stated running time of (4:12) but actual running time of (4:32).

Kerry Jackson Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 15 June 2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kerry Jackson Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 February 2013 at 2:51pm
	There probably isn't another dj 45 of "Shadow Dancing". Based on your matrix number info, my dj 45 is identical to yours except for the labels. The label for the long stereo version is on both sides of my 45: I'd guess this was a pressing plant mistake...

crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 163	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 April 2015 at 8:44pm
	The first CD to include "Shadow Dancing" was Polydor's Andy Gibb greatest hits album from 1991. It runs 4:29 here, and sounds excellent - excellent dynamic range, very good EQ, no traces of noise reduction, and seemingly very low-generation source tapes. It's no wonder that a bunch of others use the same analog transfer: Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 38 Celebration (1994; mastered too loud and clips a bit) Razor & Tie's 2-CD Super '70s (1995; shortens the tail of the fade) Time-Life's AM Gold Vol. 25 1978 (1997; digitally exactly 1 dB quieter) Time-Life's Sounds Of The Seventies Vol. 46 '70s Dance Party 1978-1979 (1997; differently-EQ'd digital clone) I have just one compilation that isn't based on Andy Gibb. Sessions/Warner Special Products' 2-CD Ultimate Party Album (1992) runs three seconds longer, at 4:32, and has a differently shaped fade than Andy Gibb. Based on the timing, I'd guess that Ultimate probably uses the same analog transfer as Polydor's Shadow Dancing disc (just a guess). Overall, I prefer the sound on Andy Gibb. The promo 45 is an early fade of the LP/commercial 45 version. Add a 32-beat fade, downbeat to downbeat on the word "Do", from 3:36.1 to 3:54.6 of the LP/commercial 45 version (using the timings from Andy Gibb). Edited by crapfromthepast
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eriejwg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 10 June 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 123	Post Options Post Reply Quote eriejwg Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 April 2015 at 1:39pm
	Ok, Ron, I'm confused. Kerry, back in 2013, said to recreate the fade for the promo side, was to start the fade at 3:45. Your instructions say start the fade at 3:36. Which is correct?