"Talk It Over" - Grayson Hugh

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   Regarding Grayson Hugh's "Talk It Over", the database currently notes that commercial 45 copies all run 4:17.  This must be based on the printed record label time because abagon informs me his commercial 45 copy has an actual time of 4:01, not 4:17 as stated on the record label. 

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Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: "Talk It Over" - Grayson Hugh Posted: 14 October 2008 at 8:38pm
	Regarding Grayson Hugh's "Talk It Over", the database currently notes that commercial 45 copies all run 4:17. This must be based on the printed record label time because abagon informs me his commercial 45 copy has an actual time of 4:01, not 4:17 as stated on the record label.

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 October 2008 at 7:43pm
	I just dug out my cassette single copy of "Talk It Over"... I timed it and came up with a run time of 4:16, which is identical to the song's length on the Blind to Reason CD (RCA 2171). (The time stated on the cassette single sleeve is 4:17.) With abagon reporting that his commercial 45 runs 4:01, which appears to be identical to the short DJ 45 side, database comments will need to be updated and revised accordingly, including for The Beach Music Anthology Box Set Volume 3 CD set on Ripete 2277. Now, does anyone know if the 45 running 4:01 is an edit or an early fade of the LP and cassette single running 4:16?

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 October 2008 at 8:42pm
	I do know that the DJ edit was an actual edit and not just an early fade. I also seem to recall that it was difficult to find the edit point, or perhaps there were a couple of seconds on the DJ edit that were not on the album version. Andy

abagon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 01 March 2008 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote abagon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 October 2008 at 7:55am
	I have compared the commercial 45 with the CD "Blind To Reason" U.S. releases. As AndrewChouffi pointed out, surely, the dj 45 side (equal commercial 45) isn't the fadeout version. When it cut the unnecessary range (3:38-3:54) of the LP version for making the 45 version. A sound on the LP version lacks the :00.6 seconds (at 3:38) on the commercial 45. --abagon

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 October 2008 at 10:09am
	Thank you, Andrew and Abagon, for chiming in. From your responses, it can now be concluded that all CD appearances in the database contain the LP and cassette single version, with the exception of The Beach Music Anthology Box Set Volume 3 CD set (Ripete 2277), which is the commercial 45 version (faded :06 early?). Now, can the 4:16 LP and cassette single version be edited down to match the 4:01 commercial 45 version? Edited by Todd Ireland

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 October 2008 at 8:46pm
	I don't think so, because of that second of unique audio on the short version. Andy

abagon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 01 March 2008 Location: Japan Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote abagon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 October 2008 at 8:15am
	Todd: I'm sorry for my elusive post. As the result, it's impossible to make the 45 version from the LP version. --abagon

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 October 2008 at 12:26pm
	The short dj vinyl 45 states and runs (3:58). The version on The Beach Music Anthology Volume 3 is the same as the dj edit but faded :03 sooner.

edtop40 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote edtop40 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 February 2009 at 8:20pm
	my commercial 45 issued as rca 8802 states a run time on the label at 4:17 and does indeed run that length and is identical to the cd version below (S) (4:16) RCA 2171 Blind To Reason the 45's run out groove states "8802-7-RA" this is in contridiction to abagon's findings and should be looked into further....is it possible that abagon's 45 is either a promo or import??....or is this an instance of 2 different issued 45's....
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jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 February 2009 at 9:18pm
	Guys, for what's it's worth, here is my promo CD single information for the song: Grayson Hugh-"Talk It Over" (8802-2 RDJ) 1-Talk It Over (non-described version) (listed 4:17; actual 4:16) 2-Talk It Over (Edit) (listed 3:58; actual 4:01)