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john halloran 
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 Topic: Santana- "No One To Depend On"Posted: March 10 2006 at 4:53PM |
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For those of you who have been waiting, the new SonyMusic release of "Santana III-Legacy Edition" does include the long awaited 45 version of "No One to Depend On". First time on disc.
This is significant as a marked departure for Sony/Legacy/Columbia/Epic, the main offender in refusing to release 45 versions and dj edits as extras on the numerous compilation discs they market, but were the label(s) most prolific at issuing 45 edits at the time (60s, 70s). Here's hoping they continue with Loggins and Messina Legacy editions, or maybe a stand-alone volume(s) of all the numerous edits and alternate 45 versions they released back in the day (I know,I'm dreaming). |
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sriv94
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Posted: March 10 2006 at 5:19PM |
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Excellent find, John. Just downloaded it off of iTunes.
Now, they need to do the same for "Oye Como Va" (never been issued) and the true 45s of "Hold On" and "You Know That I Love You" (I believe those 45s are gettable but with extended endings). Edited by sriv94 |
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Todd Ireland
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Posted: March 10 2006 at 8:54PM |
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I'm not sure I'm familiar with the 45 version of "No One to Depend On". Is it an edit of the LP version, or is it a different mix?
By the way, the following Santana hits can be found in their correct 45 version form and length on the group's The Ultimate Collection Dutch import 3-CD set (Sony Music Media SMMTV12): "She's Not There" - 3:13 "You Know That I Love You" - 3:28 "Hold On" - 3:51 The CD package claims the contents of this three disc set are "all original re-mastered single versions". This is not correct though because many of the songs on here are LP versions. This best-of collection is still in print and can be purchased new for less than $20 on retail websites like half.com. |
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john halloran
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 5:20PM |
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It IS an edit of the LP version, with a two second loop from the instrumental break in the middle of the song at the beginning of the record. However, the ending is a cold two-note sting, whereas the LP version used an echo effect of the sting, and faded it over the following track on the LP. I don't know how you'll recreate the ending.
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AndrewChouffi
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Posted: March 14 2006 at 10:42PM |
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One can recreate the ending of the single edit with the lp version by doing what Columbia did--put a reverb blast on the last two notes (excising the seven echo trails).
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Santi Paradoa
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Posted: March 14 2025 at 10:05AM |
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There appears to be a short version with a listed time of 3:42 on a 1972 Columbia promo 45. The flip side is the longer LP version (listed at 5:25).
https://www.45cat.com/record/4s45552 I've never heard the 3:42 version. Anyone have this rarity? |
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Todd Ireland
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Posted: March 14 2025 at 4:01PM |
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Given that there doesn't seem to be a listing anywhere on the Discogs website of this alleged "No One to Depend On" promo 45 release with a 3:42 run time listing, this would seem to suggest that this pressing is extremely rare, if it even really exists at all. Nonetheless, I'm sure our resident message board sleuths will be keeping a sharp eye out for a copy and reporting back if and when they can furnish any additional information.
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MPH711
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Posted: March 14 2025 at 4:42PM |
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Looks like this is a 3:13 promo. There are also other posts on YouTube with
the stock 45 at 3:13. https://youtu.be/nEdhwo8Mfto?si=fGP5ZOH_NenrxSOM |
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Paul Haney
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Posted: March 15 2025 at 4:40AM |
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That does appear to be quite the rarity. I too would love
to hear it someday! |
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Posted: March 15 2025 at 5:51AM |
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if the alleged 45 pressing with the printed 3:42 label time were to actually just contain the common 3:13 version and length. Perhaps this could have possibly been a test pressing in which only a very limited number of copies were made?
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Posted: March 15 2025 at 6:34AM |
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I have 2 promo 45s of this song, a mono/stereo 3:13 and a mono 3:13/5:25. Both of mine are on the older (60s style) Columbia label.
The matrix # of both mono 3:13 versions is JZSP156309-1x. The suffix letter on the mono/stereo 3:13 is C, on the 3:13/5:25 is B. The 3:42 copy on the 45cat link's matrix is JZSP 154937, so it could very well be a unique edit. Edited by Hykker |
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Posted: March 17 2025 at 12:23PM |
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Judging from the matrix, the 3:42 copy came first? Maybe
they decided to shorten it for release later. Dunno. |
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MPH711
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Posted: March 17 2025 at 1:30PM |
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This Japan copy on eBay of No One To Depend On has a listed time of 3:22.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/393335968301?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid =711-127632-2357- 0&ssspo=uB7y_LszTru&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=art emis &media=COPY Edited by MPH711 |
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Santi Paradoa
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Posted: March 18 2025 at 1:54PM |
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That Japan single is also listed on 45cat: https://www.45cat.com/record/sopa6
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