Elton John - Sad Songs....

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   For what it's worth, my version on The A-List is 107.0 BPM, my version on the Geffen Greatest Hits is 107.3 BPM, and my 45 version on Hits On CD Vol. 2 (Mercury [W. Germany] 822 843-2, 1984) is much faster at 109.1 BPM.

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crapfromthepast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 14 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8	Post Options Post Reply Quote crapfromthepast Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 January 2007 at 9:38pm
	For what it's worth, my version on The A-List is 107.0 BPM, my version on the Geffen Greatest Hits is 107.3 BPM, and my 45 version on Hits On CD Vol. 2 (Mercury [W. Germany] 822 843-2, 1984) is much faster at 109.1 BPM.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 86	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 January 2007 at 4:51pm
	I just did a very careful analysis through headphones between the DJ and commercial 45 versions. The DJ "special radio mix" is pitched up 1.95%, when compared to the commercial 45 version. (Also, on the DJ 45, they used a very, very slight amount of compression to make the song sound louder; however, it is so slight, I probably would not have noticed it if not for the headphones and being able to see the two waveforms on the screen.) Other than that, there are no mix differences whatsoever between the two. For the record, the DJ 45 is exactly 110 BPM. Edited by aaronk

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 86	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 January 2007 at 5:12pm
	In defense of those who say the mix sounds different, both the commercial and DJ 45s are EQ'd slightly brighter than the CD version I have. The slightly brighter high end, coupled with a 2% pitch difference can certainly make the CD version sound "flat" or "dull."

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 January 2007 at 7:52pm
	Thanks, Aaron. I completely trust your ears. I can now stop searching for this on CD.

jimct Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 07 April 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote jimct Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 January 2007 at 2:20am
	Aaron was kind enough to mp3 a few snippets of the various versions of this song. What sounds to me like "night and day" differences between the stock and "Special Radio Mix" ARE, in fact, 99% attributed to simply being sped up, as Aaron mentions above. I started this post as a "newbie" last May, before I realized that my ears can't tell the difference between a chirping bird and a tractor! I think I'll just stick with actual 45 timings and un-earthing unique DJ 45 edits, guys! :)

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 86	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 January 2007 at 5:13am
	You don't give yourself enough credit, Jim. Your information has been invaluable to many of us here on the message board, sir. Besides, everyone is entitled to one mistake. You just used yours. :)

JMD1961 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 29 March 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote JMD1961 Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 January 2007 at 3:16pm
	I'd just like to thank everyone for this one. It really answered a lot of questions I had about this particular song.

Brian W. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brian W. Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 January 2007 at 9:23pm
	Okay, so one thing I still don't understand: Is the 45 and Special Radio Mix the same MIX as the album version?

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 86	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 January 2007 at 11:11pm
	That's a very good question, Brian. Listening to the lo-fi audio samples on allmusic.com would make me guess "yes." Also, the 45 label says "Edit" underneath the time. All I can do is guess on this one, since I only have the 45 version on CD.

aaronk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 86	Post Options Post Reply Quote aaronk Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 January 2007 at 12:47pm
	Thanks to Jim, I can confirm that the 45 and LP versions are the same mix. The 45 edits the intro in half and does an early fade for sure. I didn't check to see if there are any other edits in the middle.