John Lennon - Stand By Me

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   I've been asking a lot of questions on this forum, so I'm happy to post my first addition to the database.

The 45 and LP versions of "Stand By Me" are actually different mixes.  The easiest way to spot the difference is that the single has added strings (synth?) on the intro.  These are prominent from 0:05-0:18.

For the longest time the best place to source the 45 mix was Lennon Legend, even though it faded a few seconds earlier than the original 45.  Not sure which versions are on the new comps, other than I've confirmed the LP version is on the Gimme Some Truth box.

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Ringmaster_D Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 08 July 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ringmaster_D Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: John Lennon - Stand By Me Posted: 23 April 2011 at 5:33am
	I've been asking a lot of questions on this forum, so I'm happy to post my first addition to the database. The 45 and LP versions of "Stand By Me" are actually different mixes. The easiest way to spot the difference is that the single has added strings (synth?) on the intro. These are prominent from 0:05-0:18. For the longest time the best place to source the 45 mix was Lennon Legend, even though it faded a few seconds earlier than the original 45. Not sure which versions are on the new comps, other than I've confirmed the LP version is on the Gimme Some Truth box.

Todd Ireland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 16 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 23	Post Options Post Reply Quote Todd Ireland Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 April 2011 at 12:00pm
	Nice catch, Ringmaster_D!

Rockdent Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 June 2008 Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rockdent Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 April 2011 at 3:46pm
	I have up till now only read posts without responding so I apologize for being a confused "newbie", but I really don't hear the issue that is being referred to here (I do not have Lennon Legend on CD however). I pulled out my vinyl 45 and LP copies of Stand By Me and played them back to back and they sound identical as to the stringlike organ sounds early on. I then pulled out the 3 versions of CDs I have with Stand By Me on them and again the original CD version of the Rock 'N Roll LP sounds identical as well. The Imagine soundtrack also mimics that same mix. The 2004 remix of Rock 'N Roll definitely moves and mutes that keyboard/strings sort of sound, but it is still there as well. What am I missing? Edited by Rockdent

AndrewChouffi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 24 September 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote AndrewChouffi Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 April 2011 at 7:48am
	Welcome Rockdent! My memory seems to coincide with yours; I don't remember a version without that keyboard either (I believe it was an ARP String Ensemble). Andy

Ringmaster_D Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 08 July 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ringmaster_D Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 April 2011 at 7:07am
	I just listened to the version on the new Rock 'n Roll remaster as compared with the 45 version on Lennon Legend and the overdub is clear. It's not the organ that differs -- that is on all versions. The 45 has a string synth overdub that comes in clearly at the 0:05 mark. This is not present on the original LP version. I also checked "Eight Arms To Hold You" by Chip Madinger & Mark Easter and this book also documents the difference.

Santi Paradoa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 February 2009 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote Santi Paradoa Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 April 2011 at 8:50am
	So is the Lennon Legend CD the only disc with the 45 version (with the overdub)?
	Santi Paradoa Miami, Florida

Ringmaster_D Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 08 July 2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0	Post Options Post Reply Quote Ringmaster_D Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 April 2011 at 6:20pm
	Lennon Legend is the only digital source that I know of for the single mix, although I don't own all the Lennon compilations so I can't be sure. By the way, the single mix appeared on the original 45 (Apple 1881) and the 1977 Capitol Starline re-issue. I can confirm the following compilations have the LP mix: the Lennon box, Power To The People: The Hits, and the Gimme Some Truth box.

davidclark Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 17 November 2004 Location: Canada Status: Online Points: 19	Post Options Post Reply Quote davidclark Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 May 2011 at 9:32pm
	Pat, have you been able to listen to the CDs in the database, and, have you discovered this difference? The versions I have heard of this track all sound identical to me. What am I missing? I am not even sure if I have the 45 or LP mix on Imagine soundtrack and John Lennon Collection (then again, THAT CD was remastered and songs changed on it from the first edition of it).
	dc1

EdisonLite Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Music Fan Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 26	Post Options Post Reply Quote EdisonLite Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 May 2011 at 11:27pm
	I used to have the Lennon "Collection" CD (I got rid of it after upgrading the superior sounding "Legend" CD) and I never noticed a different mix for "Stand By Me" on "Collection. Does anyone know which mix has been on that?

Pat Downey Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: 01 October 2003 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pat Downey Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 02 May 2011 at 9:52am
	Here is my take on this "Stand By Me" situation. My ears do not hear a difference between the original vinyl 45 and vinyl LP "Rock 'n' Roll". Regarding cd's I do not hear any differnce between the "Lennon Legend" cd and the original "Rock 'n' Roll" cd. The reissued cd of "Rock 'n' Roll" (Capitol 74329) to my ears features a remixed version of Stand By Me that is neither the 45 nor LP mix. My ears are admittedly not the best anymore but a number of contributors seem to agree with me.