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aaronk 
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 Topic: Three Dog Night mono versionsPosted: 24 November 2010 at 10:44am |
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Since several Three Dog Night Dunhill hits are available in mono on CD, can it be presumed that they were taken from LP masters? Given that several indicate "45 version" are the mono 45 and mono LP versions the same in those cases?
Could we perhaps hunt down mono LPs to obtain the elusive 45 versions of "Mama Told Me Not To Come," "Eli's Coming," "One," and perhaps "Let Me Serenade You"? |
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Yah Shure
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Posted: 24 November 2010 at 12:46pm |
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Aaron, commercial mono LPs were phased out in the U.S. during 1968, before the first Three Dog Night album was released. Those mono Three Dog Night hits are from the mono 45s.
Here's why those mono LPs disappeared. :) |
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aaronk
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Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:11pm |
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Thanks, Yah Shure. My next obvious question is where did those mono 45 versions originate from on CD, if the Dunhill masters were dumped? Are you saying they are all mastered from vinyl when you say they are from the mono 45s? I've never detected anything in those recordings that sounded like vinyl dubs, but maybe I haven't listened closely enough.
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Brian W.
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Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:18pm |
Yeah, I've always wondered that myself, Aaron. I'll speculate the mono mixes of those singles were spliced into a greatest hits album at some point, and that's why they survived. |
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Posted: 24 November 2010 at 1:23pm |
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Great theory, Brian!
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Yah Shure
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Posted: 24 November 2010 at 2:35pm |
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I just gave a listen to those four tracks on TDN's two vinyl Dunhill greatest hits collections:
On 1971's Golden Bisquits: "Mama Told Me Not To Come" "Eli's Coming" "One" On 1974's Joy To The World - Their Greatest Hits "One" "Let Me Serenade You" And they're all the stereo LP versions. TDN was one of the biggest selling acts (if not the biggest act) in Dunhill's history, so it's possible that all of their masters were retained by virtue of their higher profile and catalog value. At least that's my guess. |
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aaronk
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Posted: 24 November 2010 at 2:49pm |
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Either way, it's just good to have the correct single mixes available on CD! Now, I just need to find great sounding mono sources for those tracks...
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Posted: 24 November 2010 at 8:22pm |
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ABC purchased Dot Records in 1975. When they did, they purged a lot of mono or multitrack master tapes if stereo or rechanneled tapes existed. Back then EMI in England was the long standing ABC Records licensee. EMI saved their copy master dubs from the USA. Those copy tapes are all we have of singles masters or mono content not existing in true Stereo. This is why few singles masters in mono or outtakes exist for ABC or for Dot Records unless the master tapes were in other vaults.
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I turn up the good and turn down the bad!
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Bill Cahill
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Posted: 27 November 2010 at 7:27pm |
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My understanding is that the Three Dog Night material was licensed to Dunhill which followed to ABC and now to MCA. So if it's a continued licensing arrangement, Three Dog Night may have their own master storage, which could be why more mono has survived.
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KentT
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Posted: 29 November 2010 at 11:25am |
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Dunhill owned this material, not leased it. No original tapes of the singles masters. Likely second or third generation copies in the UK or West German EMI vaults available.
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