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rnell ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 19 September 2006 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I'm not sure if somebody has started this thread before, but I've been working on a list of Cashbox top 40 hits which were not top 40 hits in Billboard magazine. Although I have only researched 1972, 73 and 74, I was surprised to find out as many as 36 songs were Top 40 hits in Cashbox but not in BB in 1972, 35 in 1973 and 24 in 1974. In addition, many of these songs are not included in the database (e.g. Stories "Mammy blue" #21, Soul Children "Hearsay" #22, Led Zeppelin "Over hills.." #28 to name only very few).
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musicmanatl ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 22 June 2011 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Wow, I had no idea that there were so many. Will you be posting the list here?
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rnell ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 19 September 2006 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Yes of course, I worked with the weekly charts published in the Cashbox website. If you are interested I can also post highest Cashbox and Billboard positions for comparison purposes. It is interesting to see the gap between the highest position between both charts (e.g. John Denver's "I'd rather be a cowboy" reached #27 in CB and #62 in BB). Could anybody explain these differences?
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Bill Cahill ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 27 June 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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When you get to "The Letter" by Wayne Newton as the number one song December 12th 1992 you begin to sense a pattern. The earlier Cashbox charts (60's and 70's) seemed reasonable, but into the 80's and 90's the phrase to best describe Cashbox was "the best charts money can buy". For more on Cashbox charts, just Google "Cashbox Magazine Murder"
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bitman ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 10 August 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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As I recall, Billboard charts were based on a combination of airplay and sales, whereas Cashbox was sales only.
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rnell ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 19 September 2006 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Here's the 1973 list, number in the left is Cashbox peak position, number in the right is BB peak position which I have added for comparison purposes. To make this faster, I have shortened some song titles.
20 Sutherland bros and Quiver You got me anyway 48 21 Stories Mammy blue 50 25 Jerry Lee Lewis Drinkin' wine... 41 27 John Denver I'd rather be a cowboy 62 28 Led Zeppelin Over the hills and far.51 29 Manhattans There's no me without..43 30 Steely Dan Show biz kids 61 31 Donna Fargo Superman 41 31 Lighthouse Pretty lady 53 32 Grass Roots Love is what you make..55 32 Jackie Moore Sweet Charlie babe 42 33 Stealers Wheel Everyone's agreed that.49 33 America Muskrat love 67 34 Rolling Stones You can't always get.. 42 34 Tom Jones Letter to Lucille 60 35 Rod Stewart Twisting the night away 59 35 Bloodstone Never let you go 43 36 David Gates Clouds 47 36 Independents Baby I've been missing.41 36 Dobie Gray Loving &n bsp; arms 61 36 Alice Cooper Billion dollar babies 57 37 Les Emmerson Control of me 51 37 Michael Jackson With a child's heart 50 37 Anne Murray What about me 64 37 Raspberries Tonight 69 38 First Choice Smarty Pants 56 39 Cymande The message 48 39 Austin Roberts Keep on singing 50 39 Hues Corporation Freedom for the.. 63 40 Nilsson Remember (Christmas) 53 40 Tommy James Boo boo don't cha be.. 70 40 Keith Hampshire The first cut is the.. 51 40 Eagles &nbs p; Tequila sunrise 64 40 Nino Tempo Sister James & nbsp; 53 In subsequent years list gets substantially shorter. If you like this I can post all 70s and 80s lists. Edited by rnell |
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Up to a certain point Cash Box was sales-only, and we're not quite sure where. They stopped notating that the chart was compiled from only sales in early 1968, but the year-end charts continued to call it the "Cash Box Top 100 Bestselling Singles Chart" up through the 1973 or 1974 year-end issue. Cash Box began notating which songs were the greatest airplay gainers sometime in the late '70s. So it's kind of a mystery as to exactly when they started incorporating airplay. |
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Brian W. ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 13 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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I'd like to see them, rnell. Actually, the lists getting shorter in subsequent years would seem to back up the scant evidence we have that 1973 was perhaps the last full year that the "Cash Box" Top 100 was a completely sales-based chart. Edited by Brian W. |
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EdisonLite ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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I, too, would like to see all 70s and 80s lists. Thanks.
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rnell ![]() Music Fan ![]() Joined: 19 September 2006 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 0 |
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Here's the 1972 list, hope it looks better (compared with my previous list - 1973 -!!).
Thanks to Santi Paradoa for helping me reconvert the files. 22 Soul Children Hearsay 44 25 Tommy James & Shondells Nothing To Hide 41 25 Sly & the Family Stone Smilin’ ; 42 26 Guess Who Heartbroken Bopper 47 26 Stories I’m Coming Home 42 27 John Denver Friends With You 47 28 Raiders Country Wine 51 29 Elton John Tiny Dancer 41 31 Partridge Family Am I Losing You 59 32 James Brown I Got A Bag On My Own 44 32 Bobby Womack Woman’s Gotta Have It 60 32 Yes And You And I ; 42 33 Emotions Show Me How 52 33 Denise LaSalle Now Run And Tell That 46 34 Clean Living In Heaven There Is No Beer 49 34 Giorgio ; Son Of My Father 46 34 Millie Jackson My Man A Sweet Man 42 35 Jefferson Airplane Pretty As You Feel 60 35 King Floyd Woman Don’t Go Astray 53 35 Joe Tex You Said A Bad Word 41 36 Alice Cooper Be My Lover 49 36 Chris Hodges We’re On Our Way 44 36 Isley Brothers Lay Away 54 36 John Lennon Happy Xmas 36 Candi Staton In The Ghetto 48 38 James Brown Honky Tonk 44 38 James Brown There It Is 43 38 Gladstone A Piece Of Paper 45 38 Wayne Newton Can’t You Hear The Song 48 38 Rod Stewart Handbags And Gladrags 42 38 Sugar Bears You Are The One 51 39 Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds Daisy Mae 41 39 Nite Liters Afro Strut 49 40 Crusaders Put It Where You Want It 52 40 Denise La Salle Man Sized Job 55 40 Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes I Miss You, 58 Edited by rnell |
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